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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pickle View Post
    Sure. Not sure how it applies.

    He blames the US for the locals current $#@!ry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    He blames the US for the locals current $#@!ry.
    Yeah...it's self-deprecating and it also happens to be bull$#@!...
    I find your lack of faith...disturbing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    He blames the US for the locals current $#@!ry.

    Cause and effect my friend, cause and effect. It's not so much a "blame issue" as it is an issue of having proof of the danger of unintened consequences. For example, we should be able to see the trail from our interventionism to the creation of terrorist directing their hatred towards the west. I mean if another nation constantly messed around with our internal politics , encouaging coups and armed dangeously unstable factions against one another how would you feel? The terrorist actions are theirs to own up to, however , we can stop repeating the mistakes that lead to those actions.
    Just like if you go into a bad neighborhood flashing hundred dollar bills around and you get mugged the perp is still the guilty one but next time you would alter your behavior. But our government doesn't do that. So either the ME we see today is EXACTLY what the government and their puppet masters want OR our strategy over decades has been "Barney Fife" level incompetent.
    Neither explanation makes me feel safer , how about you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    On the contrary, you're that dime a dozen. Many people hate their country, you're not alone, nor 'influencial.'



    Actually, the bottom line is your atrocious spelling. Influential.......doesn't have a f'n c in it, donttread. Influence has a c in it, influential doesn't, if you're a well read individual, you'd know this.



    Donttread....does the word 'controling' have one l or two? Hmm.
    And I understand completely we blustering dinos are being ignored. Why...it happens on these pages quite frequently, doesn't it? We'll all remember the rise of the Islamic State, we T-Rex's were ignored then too. You isolationists and 'realism disciples' like Peter were blustering forth. "The US has no interest in the outcome in Syria." "The Islamic State is a made up boogieman."

    Ransom cautioned and blustered........uhhh......Gentlemen.....the US best do something about this....this is a national security crisis.

    The realists like Pete and Obama blustered jv team/sideshow, no security interests.

    Donttread........not only ignored the blustering neocons.....he went as far as to ask.....well "what threat does ISIS pose the US anyways?"

    And note actually reality.....the actual bottom line.......member donttread don't ask that question anymore. Ever. Member donttread had his question not only answered, but firmly answered so.....that question has never ever seen the light of day again, after all, how would it look today? After Paris, after San B, after Nice, after Berlin..........what would donttread look like asking that question......why....he'd look naïve is what he would look like. As well, Peter don't claim we've no interest in the outcome of the conflict in Syria any longer either.

    BEcause you both have learned. Either Ransom.....or reality......both were speaking the same language and speaking it correctly. You two bone fcked the Islamic State analysis.....and continue to do so today. Bottom line.......listen to your Uncle Ransom....I'll steer you true.

    Jesus Christ Ransom, I've answered this repeatedly but let me dumb it down for ya. ISIS poses virtually no threat to America , not here anyway. You can disagree , but accept the fact that I have answered before you tell me about how ISIS killed millions on American soil and are marching on Washington . Oh wait, they aren't doing those things? They are however , within their region, considerably more powerful since we declared war on terrorism. Just like drugs are more available since we declared war on drugs and we've never had so many poor people as we do now after declaring war on poverty. Can you see the pattern? The point? Or should I use crayons?

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    Their issue are much older than US involvement in the region. Regardless, had we not ignored al Qaeda we could have prevented 9-11.
    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Cause and effect my friend, cause and effect. It's not so much a "blame issue" as it is an issue of having proof of the danger of unintened consequences. For example, we should be able to see the trail from our interventionism to the creation of terrorist directing their hatred towards the west. I mean if another nation constantly messed around with our internal politics , encouaging coups and armed dangeously unstable factions against one another how would you feel? The terrorist actions are theirs to own up to, however , we can stop repeating the mistakes that lead to those actions.
    Just like if you go into a bad neighborhood flashing hundred dollar bills around and you get mugged the perp is still the guilty one but next time you would alter your behavior. But our government doesn't do that. So either the ME we see today is EXACTLY what the government and their puppet masters want OR our strategy over decades has been "Barney Fife" level incompetent.
    Neither explanation makes me feel safer , how about you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Jesus Christ Ransom, I've answered this repeatedly but let me dumb it down for ya. ISIS poses virtually no threat to America , not here anyway. You can disagree , but accept the fact that I have answered before you tell me about how ISIS killed millions on American soil and are marching on Washington . Oh wait, they aren't doing those things? They are however , within their region, considerably more powerful since we declared war on terrorism. Just like drugs are more available since we declared war on drugs and we've never had so many poor people as we do now after declaring war on poverty. Can you see the pattern? The point? Or should I use crayons?
    Well then and for the love of God, we'll not assign the government a war on your education. I mean, if it's going to result in you being even more uninformed and wrong, make things even worse. You are the single most entertaining member of this forum, donttread. Some are close, but close counts in grenades and nuclear weapons only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Their issue are much older than US involvement in the region. Regardless, had we not ignored al Qaeda we could have prevented 9-11.
    Qaeda was no existential threat to the US either, but a real one nonetheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    Qaeda was no existential threat to the US either, but a real one nonetheless.
    Right. We had the intelligence to disrupt the plots had we connected the dots and not had the firewall between law enforcement and intel. Or rather treated terrorists as enemy combatants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Jesus Christ Ransom, I've answered this repeatedly but let me dumb it down for ya. ISIS poses virtually no threat to America , not here anyway. You can disagree , but accept the fact that I have answered before you tell me about how ISIS killed millions on American soil and are marching on Washington . Oh wait, they aren't doing those things? They are however , within their region, considerably more powerful since we declared war on terrorism. Just like drugs are more available since we declared war on drugs and we've never had so many poor people as we do now after declaring war on poverty. Can you see the pattern? The point? Or should I use crayons?
    Replace the word ISIS with the word al-Qaeda regarding the bolded sentence above and you'd have donttread on Sept 10, 2001.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Right. We had the intelligence to disrupt the plots had we connected the dots and not had the firewall between law enforcement and intel. Or rather treated terrorists as enemy combatants.
    Perhaps Peter, because rather than focus on actual threats...we made obvious analyses such as al-Qaeda is no existential threat, can't defeat us on the battlefield nor march on Washington. But can bring down skyscrapers.

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