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    Which is worse for the Environment? A pipeline or the protestors?

    The protestors in North Dakota, who were asked to leave by the Standing Rock Sioux officially in December have created an environmental catastrophe in the middle of a flood plain with their trash.

    Officials fear the camp near the Cannonball River will soon flood due to warm weather and rapid snowmelt. They worry trash and debris left behind by people who have left in recent weeks might pollute the Missouri River and other nearby waterways.
    “With the amount of people that have been out there and the amount of estimated waste and trash out there, there is a good chance it will end up in the river if it is not cleaned up,” Corps spokesman Capt. Ryan Hignight said.

    Local and federal officials estimate there’s enough trash and debris in the camp to fill about 2,500 pickup trucks. Garbage ranges from trash to building debris to human waste, according to Morton County Emergency Manager Tom Doering.
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    The tribe has asked protesters to leave the area, and has been coordinating cleanup at the camp since late last month. Chairman Dave Archambault said at the time it was being funded from $6 million in donations the tribe received to support its pipeline fight.
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    The effort will be funded through the Corps budget, meaning taxpayers ultimately will foot the bill.
    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/201...t-at-pipeline/

    To me this just is yet one more example of the complete hypocrisy seen by libs and environmentalists. They caused more ecological damage than the working pipeline that is just a few hundred feet away from the one they are protesting.

    How many celebrities did we see go down there? How many are paying to clean up their mess?

    Hypocrites every last one...
    I find your lack of faith...disturbing...

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    Yea, it's inevitable that hundreds and thousands of people camped out at a location will have trash build up. It's only common sense, however, if the true hypocrites that supported Bundy and his clan along with the Oathkeepers showed the support of the natives like they did their um..."brethren", then this pipeline stand-off would have been concluded a long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    Yea, it's inevitable that hundreds and thousands of people camped out at a location will have trash build up. It's only common sense, however, if the true hypocrites that supported Bundy and his clan along with the Oathkeepers showed the support of the natives like they did their um..."brethren", then this pipeline stand-off would have been concluded a long time ago.
    Please stay on topic. The Bundys are a:

    Red herring – a speaker attempts to distract an audience by deviating from the topic at hand by introducing a separate argument the speaker believes is easier to speak to.[51]


    I would like to understand how leaving 2,500 pickup trucks worth of trash is "supporting the natives" especially since the natives asked them to leave months ago and there are still hundreds there contributing to the environmental disaster we now see.
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    Red face

    Dat's right - Injuns trash up the place...

    Deadline Looms for Dakota Access Pipeline Protest Camp
    February 20, 2017 — As dawn breaks over an encampment that was once home to thousands of people protesting the Dakota Access oil pipeline, a few hundred holdouts rise for another day of resistance.
    They aren't deterred by the threat of flooding, nor by declarations from state and federal authorities that they must leave by Wednesday or face possible arrest. They're determined to remain and fight a pipeline they maintain threatens the very sanctity of the land. "If we don't stand now, when will we?" said Tiffanie Pieper of San Diego, who has been in the camp most of the winter.

    Protest started in August

    Protesters have been at the campsite since August to fight the $3.8 billion pipeline that will carry oil from North Dakota through South Dakota and Iowa to a shipping point in Illinois. Dallas-based Energy Transfer Partners began work on the last big section of the pipeline this month after the Army gave it permission to lay pipe under a reservoir on the Missouri River. The protest camp is on Army Corp of Engineers land nearby. The protests have been led by Native American tribes, particularly the Standing Rock Sioux and Cheyenne River Sioux, whose reservation is downstream. They say the pipeline threatens drinking water and cultural sites. ETP disputes that.


    Protesters block highway 1806 in Mandan, North Dakota, during a protest against plans to pass the Dakota Access pipeline near the Standing Rock Indian Reservation

    Faced with the prospect of spring flooding, some protesters are considering moving to higher ground, though not necessarily off the federal land. Some may move to the Standing Rock Reservation, where the Cheyenne River Sioux is leasing land to provide camping space even though Standing Rock Sioux Chairman Dave Archambault has urged protesters to leave. "We have the same goals," Cheyenne River Chairman Harold Frazier said of himself and Archambault. "We don't agree on whether or not the water protectors should be on the ground."

    No camp re-entry after Wednesday

    On Monday, North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum talked with Archambault on the telephone about efforts to clean up and vacate the protest camp, Burgum's office said. Burgum and Archambault both stressed the importance of keeping lines of communication open, including a one-page flyer that the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs will distribute in the camp, reminding protesters that the main camp will be evacuated at 2 p.m. Wednesday and re-entry will not be allowed, Burgum's office said.


    Trash waits to be hauled away at the Dakota Access oil pipeline protest camp as a National Guard Humvee monitors the camp from a nearby hilltop

    More than 230 truckloads of debris have been hauled out as of Monday, according to the governor's office. Those urging the protesters to leave say they're concerned about possible flooding in the area as snow melts. "The purpose of this is to close the land to ensure no one gets harmed," said Corps Capt. Ryan Hignight.

    Debris from camp a concern

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    Irony: Environmentalists Protesting North Dakota Pipeline Left Behind Tons of Waste, Could Contaminate Waterways
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    In case you missed it, the legal and bureaucratic battle over the Dakota Access and Keystone XL pipelines is finished. We won. President Donald J. Trump signed two executive orders to move forward with the projects. The Army Corp of Engineers signed off on the Dakota Access Pipeline’s final permit. And a judge refused to hear an appeal to block the project’s construction. After Trump won the 2016 election, it was only a matter of time before the incoming president would sign off on the projects. Hundreds of protestors flocked to Standing Rock Reservation in North Dakota to protest the pipeline’s construction, which activists say will desecrate their sacred burial grounds and would contaminate their drinking water along the 1,172-mile route.


    There have been claims that Dakota Access LLC never consulted the local tribes about the pipeline. They were consulted 389 times. There are also archeologists on site just in case construction runs into a burial site.


    Activists from across the country came to save a piece of Mother Earth, but ended up almost killing it. As the cleanup of the protest camp begins, authorities have found enough trash to fill 2,500 pick up trucks. Gov. Doug Burgum said that the amount of waste, coupled with the ending of winter and a potential spring flood, could lead to an environmental disaster concerning contamination of drinking water. The cleanup operation between the Native Americans, activists, and state officials began at the end of January (via Reuters):


    If you want to catch up on the day-by-day details, please visit Rob Port’s Say Anything blog. This North Dakota-based blogger wrote about the daily insanity of the pipeline project and the protests. Nicely done, sir.....snip~

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...rbage-n2285948
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    The funny thing is that the protesters claim they're sticking up for the tribes, but the tribes want them gone.
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    I'm thinking the people who rand them off should clean up the mess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cigar View Post
    I'm thinking the people who rand them off should clean up the mess
    You mean the tribe?
    I find your lack of faith...disturbing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pickle View Post
    You mean the tribe?
    Yea sure, whatever you say, so let's see who actually does it.

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