Trump Allies Quietly Push Plan for Russia and Ukraine

[ripmeister]

I'm not sure about Putin wanting to get back to the Soviet empire days but this just being about defense of Russia as his rationale is a stretch too. From what I've read in serious analyses of Putin and his psychology class s that he has felt dissed by the international community, that Russia gets no respect any longer as a prime player on the international scene. This would seem to fit with his authoritarian, arrogant persona.

[pjohns]

Not isolationism per se rather nationalism throughout Europe in the early part of the twentieth century led to two world wars.

I cannot argue with this analysis.

Nonetheless, I remain a staunch nationalist; I have the lowest possible regard for globalism.

[Peter1469]

That and the nations of Europe today do not have large standing armies and the other political issues that lead to WWI and WWII.

I cannot argue with this analysis.

Nonetheless, I remain a staunch nationalist; I have the lowest possible regard for globalism.

[hotair]

I'm not sure about Putin wanting to get back to the Soviet empire days but this just being about defense of Russia as his rationale is a stretch too. From what I've read in serious analyses of Putin and his psychology class s that he has felt dissed by the international community, that Russia gets no respect any longer as a prime player on the international scene. This would seem to fit with his authoritarian, arrogant persona.

I get the distinct impression that you might not have a proper appreciation of the poetic sound of
. . . Czar Vlad the First.
Founder of the House of Putin.


Putin may not be of the house of Romanov . . . But then the House of Romanov no longer exists. So the Imperial crown can go to whoever has the will to claim it!

Putin’s biggest issue right now, is that the title “Czar of all of the Ruusias” has a pretty empty sound to it when all of the “Russias” consists of only Russia.
On another note: When Putin reunifies the former Empire the church would not be able to resist his command to place the Imperial Crown on his head.

On the other hand . . .

The collapse of the former Soviet Union left Russia as a third world developing nation. Pure and simple.

The fall from grace has left a rather bad taste in the mouths of the Russian people. Putin in particular. This is how he gets away with the things that he has done.

If the return to former glory means giving Putin an Imperial crown, then the majority of Russians are good with that.

[hotair]

Democrats, the new Neocons

Do you have any clue of what the word "neocon" means?

[hotair]

History shows us the folly of isolationism? How exactly?

Gee . . . That is a tough one!
I am not sure . . . two world wars???
Sucked into both, totally unprepared!

The rest of the world does exist. We live in this world. We are a part of it regardless if we like it or not. The global community is a reality. It is the way things are.

The problem of redefining words.
Depending on how the term "Nationalism" is used today, it can have two legitimate meanings. Fascism or isolationism!

[Green Arrow]

I get the distinct impression that you might not have a proper appreciation of the poetic sound of
. . . Czar Vlad the First.
Founder of the House of Putin.


Putin may not be of the house of Romanov . . . But then the House of Romanov no longer exists. So the Imperial crown can go to whoever has the will to claim it!

Putin’s biggest issue right now, is that the title “Czar of all of the Ruusias” has a pretty empty sound to it when all of the “Russias” consists of only Russia.
On another note: When Putin reunifies the former Empire the church would not be able to resist his command to place the Imperial Crown on his head.

On the other hand . . .

The collapse of the former Soviet Union left Russia as a third world developing nation. Pure and simple.

The fall from grace has left a rather bad taste in the mouths of the Russian people. Putin in particular. This is how he gets away with the things that he has done.

If the return to former glory means giving Putin an Imperial crown, then the majority of Russians are good with that.

House Romanov does still exist, just not in power.

[hotair]

Much of what you have said in prior posts is really quite good, I believe.

But this sounds like just more far-left talking points, deriving from an unassuaged bitterness, and a resultant desire to delegitimize Donald Trump...

With the call logs, and the phone records, and even recordings, along with other things . . .
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...cid=spartandhp
. . . . .

There is no question about Putins influence in the White House. The only question (right now) is what is the nature of Putins influence. Does Putin have direct control through Trump, or is it more indirect through Trumps advisers? It does make a real big difference.

The FBI has/is investigating. Thus all of the news stories going as far back as last June. As well as other matters . . .
The FBI has been reporting their findings to the proper authorities. However with results such as . . . .http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...cid=spartandhp
. . . . .
We end up with these ‘so called’ leaks! People trying to cover their asses from any possible future ‘conspiracy to obstruct’ charges!

Bottom line: The FBI is not a prosecutorial agency; the FBI is a investigative agency.
The FBI is a sub-agency of the DOJ.
Which means that the FBI works for the AG . . .
Which means that the FBI works for Trump . . .
Which means that the FBI works for Putin . . . now!
In any event the FBI has no legal authority to press charges. Much less prosecute. Additionally ever since the Republicans abolished the “Office of Special Prosecutor” the only authority that can act is the AG.

. . . Or . . . The Congress!


On the other hand . . .
Trump is a reality. (The people of this country are going to get exactly what they deserve. And I do not have a problem with that!) This is not a question of legitimacy. It is the question of legality, and precedent!

Republican political operatives have sold the election to the highest bidder, and Putin won . . . This time.

I do not have a problem with a Putin White House. We are stuck with it for the next four years. There is not a damned thing that can be done to change it!

The problem is:
The future. Just because Putin won this time, does mean that he is going to win again in the next election. Nor does it mean that he will be the only player next time either.



As to the precedent I mentioned earlier. The GOP has gotten away with a number actions, each worse then the previous.

Reagan got away with out right defying congress. (Iran - Contra)

W’s CoS got away with outing an active CIA recruiter/operative, costing the lives of more then a dozen people. Regardless if they had been successfully recruited or not! (Valerie Plame)

Now . . . What is tantamount to out right treason.

This gets swept under the carpet again . . . I am not too sure that the country can survive what comes next. Then again, the country may not survive this.

[hotair]

House Romanov does still exist, just not in power.

There is a rather sizable “reward” for anyone able to prove what you suggest.
Since no one has bothered to try and claim it, it is reasonable to assume that there are no takers.

[hotair]

As I have said earlier. I do not have a problem with the current Putin White House.
(Selling out Eastern Europe will have very series consequences. However that would not be our problem! Europeans made the mistake of trusting Americans - they get to live with that!)

I would prefer for Americans to govern themselves, but I can live with the current arrangement. It is just that now that Russia has shown the rest of the world how to do it . . . . .


I personally do not believe that a Kim Jong Un White House is in the near future. I just do not see China protecting North Korea from Russia. Not when they (China) can have it for themselves.

Unfortunately Putin is not the only player. China - India - any of the Arab oil countries - Turkey - maybe even Egypt, are all possible future players.

I am a bit concerned that a future bidding war, could break out into a nuclear war. Given the current dispersion of nuclear weapons, it is a real possibility.

I do believe that the worse case scenario for the American people would be a sort of international committee (rather then a bidding war) running our country. Too many chefs will (as it were) ruin the soup.



Of course, I am not the only American citizen in our fair country. A good number of my fellow citizens are not at all as accommodating about our current condition as I am! As they see it . . . Putin is not THEIR President!


But then neither is Trump.
The only way that Trump could become everyones President, would be if he became EVERYONES President.
Not just the Wall Street Bankers.
Not just the extreme radical religious right (tea baggers).
Not just the KKK!
And definitely not Putins puppet.

Trump has to want to become the President of everybody! While “do what I order” works in the business world, it does not cut it in the world of governing, he must come to grips with the fact that he is no longer a corporate CEO any longer. Simply saying “I won . . . Now everybody has to do whatever I say” has not worked, and will not work.
Trump really has to stop worrying about the fact that he is not popular, never will be popular, and start learning how to do the job that he has. Even though it will mean double crossing Putin. He really does have to accept that he won the election with a whole lot of help from Putin, cut his loses, and move on! I understand that he wishes to be loyal to the people who got him elected, but when the person at the top of the list is the leader of another country (especially a country that is not exactly friendly with us right now) his idea of loyalty is going to be the end of him.