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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Jim View Post
    This occurred in 2014 and was posted lately, so if it doesn't get much attention that is why. http://thepoliticalforums.com/thread...+Entire+Family
    Of course you have no point to make..............yesterday as today
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    Quote Originally Posted by valley ranch View Post
    Too bad this guy was 40, becuase he has almost undoubtedly already weakened the gene pool for the next generation.

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    Sorry to swim against the tide, but the man was unarmed, and he committed nothing more than simple trespass. In my society, all three members of that family would be facing possible charges of manslaughter. Self defence only applies if you, or someone you are protecting, are being attacked and lethal force is not allowed in the defence of property.

    This is what the Crown Prosecution Service has to say about it -

    The force you use must always be reasonable in the circumstances as you believe them to be. Where you are defending yourself or others from intruders in your home, it might still be reasonable in the circumstances for you to use a degree of force that is subsequently considered to be disproportionate, perhaps if you are acting in extreme circumstances in the heat of the moment and don’t have a chance to think about exactly how much force would be necessary to repel the intruder: it might seem reasonable to you at the time but, with hindsight, your actions may seem disproportionate. The law will give you the benefit of the doubt in these circumstances.

    This only applies if you were acting in self-defence or to protect others in your home and the force you used was disproportionate – disproportionate force to protect property is still unlawful.
    https://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/...seholders.html

    If someone trespasses on your property despite due warning the practical remedy is to ask them to leave. If they don't you are entitled to use no more than reasonable force to eject the trespasser.

    The right to use reasonable force has evolved through case law and there is no single answer as to what is reasonable - it will always depend on the prevailing circumstances.
    However, you are not entitled to assault or harm a trespasser in any way. In the infamous Tony Martin case, for example, it was obviously unreasonable for him to shoot dead a teenager who had entered his remote farmhouse with the intention of committing theft.
    https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...urrights.legal

    Do people still want to cheer this family who shot an unarmed man dead for doing no more than entering their home without permission? Like he was pretty stupid for continuing to enter after being challenged, but does the penalty for stupid = summary execution?
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    it does here. How are you to know if he intends bodily injury? How do you know, that in the middle of the night, what his plans are?
    I got it, talk him to death......or at least make him fill out a form and make a list as to what he want's to steal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    it does here. How are you to know if he intends bodily injury? How do you know, that in the middle of the night, what his plans are?
    I got it, talk him to death......or at least make him fill out a form and make a list as to what he want's to steal.
    You missed my point - I think we have a fair idea that someone who illegally enters your house after dark, is not likely to be after a bit of a chat and a nice cuppa. There is a better than even chance he is there to permanently deprive you of portable valuables which he can flog at the local pub.

    If he is stupid enough to break into a house full of people, the answer is simple. Hold him at gunpoint until the police arrive to take charge of him, have a nice cup of Milo or Ovaltine and go back to bed.

    To shoot him dead is overkill (in every sense of the word,) and likely to earn you time at Her Majesty's Pleasure in my world.
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    When emotion and vindictiveness are set aside, William is right, of course, and everyone - whether they'd confess it or not - knows it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    When emotion and vindictiveness are set aside, William is right, of course, and everyone - whether they'd confess it or not - knows it.
    Of course, he's right but these "shoot first" folks will never cop to it.
    At the end of the day...I am still glad that I am me. Tail and all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    Sorry to swim against the tide, but the man was unarmed, and he committed nothing more than simple trespass....
    Breaking into you home is not "simple trespass". That would be burglary or possibly even robbery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    When emotion and vindictiveness are set aside, William is right, of course, and everyone - whether they'd confess it or not - knows it.
    William is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    When emotion and vindictiveness are set aside, William is right, of course, and everyone - whether they'd confess it or not - knows it.
    William is right as far as it pertains to his culture. Over here though, you have no way of knowing whether the person invading your home is armed or not, nor what their intentions are. The laws allow us to defend our castles, and will continue to do so.

    The easiest way to make sure you do not get shot dead for breaking into someone's home when they are there, is not to do it.

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