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- Thucydides
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Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum
stjames1_53 (02-22-2017)
Sorry to swim against the tide, but the man was unarmed, and he committed nothing more than simple trespass. In my society, all three members of that family would be facing possible charges of manslaughter. Self defence only applies if you, or someone you are protecting, are being attacked and lethal force is not allowed in the defence of property.
This is what the Crown Prosecution Service has to say about it -
https://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/...seholders.htmlThe force you use must always be reasonable in the circumstances as you believe them to be. Where you are defending yourself or others from intruders in your home, it might still be reasonable in the circumstances for you to use a degree of force that is subsequently considered to be disproportionate, perhaps if you are acting in extreme circumstances in the heat of the moment and don’t have a chance to think about exactly how much force would be necessary to repel the intruder: it might seem reasonable to you at the time but, with hindsight, your actions may seem disproportionate. The law will give you the benefit of the doubt in these circumstances.
This only applies if you were acting in self-defence or to protect others in your home and the force you used was disproportionate – disproportionate force to protect property is still unlawful.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...urrights.legalIf someone trespasses on your property despite due warning the practical remedy is to ask them to leave. If they don't you are entitled to use no more than reasonable force to eject the trespasser.
The right to use reasonable force has evolved through case law and there is no single answer as to what is reasonable - it will always depend on the prevailing circumstances.
However, you are not entitled to assault or harm a trespasser in any way. In the infamous Tony Martin case, for example, it was obviously unreasonable for him to shoot dead a teenager who had entered his remote farmhouse with the intention of committing theft.
Do people still want to cheer this family who shot an unarmed man dead for doing no more than entering their home without permission? Like he was pretty stupid for continuing to enter after being challenged, but does the penalty for stupid = summary execution?
Oh, I wish I were a glow worm,
for a glow worm's never glum,
'cause how can you be grumpy
when the sun shines out your bum!
decedent (03-28-2017),Standing Wolf (02-22-2017)
it does here. How are you to know if he intends bodily injury? How do you know, that in the middle of the night, what his plans are?
I got it, talk him to death......or at least make him fill out a form and make a list as to what he want's to steal.
For waltky: http://quakes.globalincidentmap.com/
"The Nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools."
- Thucydides
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote" B. Franklin
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum
You missed my point - I think we have a fair idea that someone who illegally enters your house after dark, is not likely to be after a bit of a chat and a nice cuppa. There is a better than even chance he is there to permanently deprive you of portable valuables which he can flog at the local pub.
If he is stupid enough to break into a house full of people, the answer is simple. Hold him at gunpoint until the police arrive to take charge of him, have a nice cup of Milo or Ovaltine and go back to bed.
To shoot him dead is overkill (in every sense of the word,) and likely to earn you time at Her Majesty's Pleasure in my world.
Oh, I wish I were a glow worm,
for a glow worm's never glum,
'cause how can you be grumpy
when the sun shines out your bum!
AZ Jim (02-22-2017),silvereyes (02-22-2017)
When emotion and vindictiveness are set aside, William is right, of course, and everyone - whether they'd confess it or not - knows it.
“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard
"Only a rank degenerate would drive 1,500 miles across Texas and not eat a chicken fried steak." - Larry McMurtry
Evmetro (02-22-2017)
William is right as far as it pertains to his culture. Over here though, you have no way of knowing whether the person invading your home is armed or not, nor what their intentions are. The laws allow us to defend our castles, and will continue to do so.
The easiest way to make sure you do not get shot dead for breaking into someone's home when they are there, is not to do it.
stjames1_53 (02-22-2017)