Members banned from this thread: Bo-4
While I'm sure you didn't intend it -- you just degraded females here.No more "buts." No more blaming women for men acting like neanderthals and animals. All that does is perpetuate the problem. Time to break the cycle. Condemn the men that did wrong and teach men and boys how to properly treat women.
You're perpetuating an age-old ideal that women are somehow delicate flowers, in need of special protections. It's this kind of stereotyping that leads men to think they must not only protect women, but, in doing so -- they somehow "own" them.
It's a slippery slope and it's at the base of every patriarchal society since the dawn of time. There's so much psychological convolution wrapped up in the statement that we need to "teach men and boys how to properly treat women."
Is the "proper" treatment of women any different from the proper treatment of men? Should only men be taught this level of respect, but not women?
Perhaps, instead of painting women as perpetual victims of male dominance, you could try to understand that you're not doing women any favors by taking that position.
Do you realize that if we teach ALL our children, boys and girls alike, to respect one another, we won't have these divisive types of issues?
~Leonardo da Vinci“I have from an early age abjured the use of meat, and the time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look upon the murder of men.”
Two things awe me most, the starry sky above me and the moral law within me.
There always has been and if we are to survive as a species, always must be, MEN who are willing to endure the hardships and make the sacrifices necessary to keep the rest of you sheep safe. They may be coarse and unrefined and their manicures and pedicures may not be up to your standards, but they are the ones you will hide behind when the wolf is clawing at the door.
For a number of years now, a great deal of social experimentation has been going on in the military. Someone, somewhere has decided that Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines should be just like the rest of society, that they should conduct themselves like the rest of society, that they should think like the rest of society. The problem is that they are NOT, nor should they be like the rest of society. A rifle squad full of Bo-4s wouldn't survive first contact with a hostile force. They can't be like you and we should not try to emasculate them to make them like you.
A quote, often attributed to George Orwell, most likely incorrectly, sums up the reality of the situation quite well. ""We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." It was probably actually Edmund Burke who said that, but something he did say rings equally true. " ...men can be highly civilized only while other men, inevitably less civilized, are there to guard and feed them."
To expect our young warrior to behave like kids in some finishing school is just absurd. That doesn't excuse bad behavior, but only a complete idiot should be shocked and dismayed when it occurs, and only a fool would want to breed it out of them.
The fact is, we have an organization here, a military organization, who violated the very core values and principles of the Marine Corps, Honor for one. These men (literally hundreds) are bereft of honor, over doing a childish, juvenile...little boy thing. Have you you read up on this "scandal?" Maybe you haven't. Try this article; The leadership vacuum behind the Marine Corps' massive nude-photo scandal.
Many of these images were taken, stolen or hacked from private accounts.....and it's been going on for years. This is not going to blow over anytime soon.
"I like pigs..
Dogs look up to you, cats look down at you,
but pigs treat you as equals"