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    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis Lowe View Post
    I signed up here on hopes there would be honest discussion and no labeling.

    Yet on some stuff I am already labeled a democrat and on others I get labled a republican.

    Look I ain't for no party infact throughout my voting life I have supported both parties and even voted libertarian and once for county board an independant.

    Not sure what most of ya'll are lookin for though may make it very clear that I support basic common sense on most issues regardless of the party or narritive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casper View Post
    You will never find the place where honest discussion is the norm or where labeling does not occur on a regular basis, I would assume that you would know that, as with most I would say this place is not their first rodeo nor yours.
    Is this better or worse, depends what you are seeking, as the saying goes I was looking for a good site when I found this one, try and help make it better or keep looking for Oz. Just saying.
    He was banned as a sock, good points though!
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    The partisanship has two ingredients (causes), first is money and second tribalism. My gang is better than your gang. Groupthink keeps it going. No time now but few quotes from historical perspectives and books if you are really interested. Money is the complex part it creates the reality. Good luck in your search.

    "And yet over the course of the decade the old skepticism toward business that had been born in the Great Depression and reawakened for a new generation in the Vietnam era finally began to disappear. The economic transformations of the decade would be interpreted through the framework of the free market vision. The 1970s campaigns to revive the image of capitalism among college students bore fruit in the 1980s. Universities created new centers for the study of business themes such as entrepreneurship. Students in Free Enterprise, a group started in 1975 to bring students together to "discuss what they might do to counteract the stultifying criticism of American business," thrived on small college campuses, funded by companies like Coors, Dow Chemical, and Walmart (as well as the Business Roundtable). The group organized battles of the bands, at which prizes would be doled out to the best pro-business rock anthems, helped silkscreen T-shirts with pro-capitalist messages, and created skits based on Milton Friedman's writings, which college students would perform in local elementary schools. In the workplace, the decline of the old manufacturing cities of [he North and Midwest and the rise of the sprawling suburbs of the Sunbelt metropolises marked the rise of a new economic culture, dominated by companies such as Walmart and Home Depot and Barnes & Noble." Kim Phillips-Fein ('Invisible Hands')

    "The rise of conservative politics in postwar America is one of the great puzzles of American political history. For much of the period that followed the end of World War II, conservative ideas about the primacy of the free market, and the dangers of too-powerful labor unions, government regulation, and an activist, interventionist state seemed to have been thoroughly rejected by most intellectual and political elites. Scholars and politicians alike dismissed those who adhered to such faiths as a "radical right," for whom to quote the Columbia University historian Richard Hofstadter politics "becomes an arena into which the wildest fancies are projected, the most paranoid suspicions, the most absurd superstitions, the most bizarre apocalyptic fantasies." How, then, did such ideas move from their marginal position in the middle years of the twentieth century to become the reigning politics of the country by the century's end?" Kim Phillips-Fein ('Invisible Hands')

    "Historians and social critics often explain the successes of conservative politics by pointing to the backlash against the victories of the social movements of the 1960s, the cultural reaction against the radicals who fought for civil rights, feminism, and gay and lesbian rights and who protested against the Vietnam War. The 1970s defection of white working class people alienated and frightened by the liberal program shifted the politics of the country far to the right. The argument is that in the days before the onset of the culture wars, a "liberal consensus" dominated American politics, especially around economics." Kim Phillips-Fein ('Invisible Hands')

    Reagan raised taxes 11 times or 13, imagine a republican doing that today?


    "President Eisenhower describes his administration's political philosophy as 'dynamic conservatism,' then as 'progressive, dynamic conservatism,' then as 'progressive moderation,' then as 'moderate progressivism,' and then as 'positive progressivism.'" William Manchester, quote from 'The Glory and the Dream'

    "Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right" Jane Mayer'Invisible Hands: The Businessmen's Crusade Against the New Deal' Kim Phillips-Fein


    "Moreover, if we give the matter a moment's thought, we can see that the 20th century morality tale of 'socialism vs. freedom' or 'communism vs. capitalism' is misleading. Capitalism is not a political system; it is a form of economic life, compatible in practice with right wing dictatorships (Chile under Pinochet), left-wing dictatorships (contemporary China), social-democratic monarchies (Sweden), and plutocratic republics (the United States), whether capitalist economies thrive best under conditions of freedom is perhaps more of an open question than we like to think." Tony Judt 'Ill fares the Land'
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    The partisanship on discussion boards is largely the tribalism factor. Groupthink and doublespeak are the order of the day. Some clique groups work hard to censor dissenting opinions and they are so insecure in what they believe, they dare not even READ an opposing view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by resister View Post
    He was banned as a sock, good points though!
    Awww, I like socks, unless I am wearing sandals or in the creek, but yeah, barefoot is best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casper View Post
    Awww, I like socks, unless I am wearing sandals or in the creek, but yeah, barefoot is best.
    I where crocks all years (cold enough to where socks and shoes 3 days this winter) No socks though, don't want be mistaken for a canuck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    The partisanship has two ingredients (causes), first is money and second tribalism. My gang is better than your gang. Groupthink keeps it going. No time now but few quotes from historical perspectives and books if you are really interested. Money is the complex part it creates the reality. Good luck in your search.

    "And yet over the course of the decade the old skepticism toward business that had been born in the Great Depression and reawakened for a new generation in the Vietnam era finally began to disappear. The economic transformations of the decade would be interpreted through the framework of the free market vision. The 1970s campaigns to revive the image of capitalism among college students bore fruit in the 1980s. Universities created new centers for the study of business themes such as entrepreneurship. Students in Free Enterprise, a group started in 1975 to bring students together to "discuss what they might do to counteract the stultifying criticism of American business," thrived on small college campuses, funded by companies like Coors, Dow Chemical, and Walmart (as well as the Business Roundtable). The group organized battles of the bands, at which prizes would be doled out to the best pro-business rock anthems, helped silkscreen T-shirts with pro-capitalist messages, and created skits based on Milton Friedman's writings, which college students would perform in local elementary schools. In the workplace, the decline of the old manufacturing cities of [he North and Midwest and the rise of the sprawling suburbs of the Sunbelt metropolises marked the rise of a new economic culture, dominated by companies such as Walmart and Home Depot and Barnes & Noble." Kim Phillips-Fein ('Invisible Hands')

    "The rise of conservative politics in postwar America is one of the great puzzles of American political history. For much of the period that followed the end of World War II, conservative ideas about the primacy of the free market, and the dangers of too-powerful labor unions, government regulation, and an activist, interventionist state seemed to have been thoroughly rejected by most intellectual and political elites. Scholars and politicians alike dismissed those who adhered to such faiths as a "radical right," for whom to quote the Columbia University historian Richard Hofstadter politics "becomes an arena into which the wildest fancies are projected, the most paranoid suspicions, the most absurd superstitions, the most bizarre apocalyptic fantasies." How, then, did such ideas move from their marginal position in the middle years of the twentieth century to become the reigning politics of the country by the century's end?" Kim Phillips-Fein ('Invisible Hands')

    "Historians and social critics often explain the successes of conservative politics by pointing to the backlash against the victories of the social movements of the 1960s, the cultural reaction against the radicals who fought for civil rights, feminism, and gay and lesbian rights and who protested against the Vietnam War. The 1970s defection of white working class people alienated and frightened by the liberal program shifted the politics of the country far to the right. The argument is that in the days before the onset of the culture wars, a "liberal consensus" dominated American politics, especially around economics." Kim Phillips-Fein ('Invisible Hands')

    Reagan raised taxes 11 times or 13, imagine a republican doing that today?


    "President Eisenhower describes his administration's political philosophy as 'dynamic conservatism,' then as 'progressive, dynamic conservatism,' then as 'progressive moderation,' then as 'moderate progressivism,' and then as 'positive progressivism.'" William Manchester, quote from 'The Glory and the Dream'

    "Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right" Jane Mayer'Invisible Hands: The Businessmen's Crusade Against the New Deal' Kim Phillips-Fein


    "Moreover, if we give the matter a moment's thought, we can see that the 20th century morality tale of 'socialism vs. freedom' or 'communism vs. capitalism' is misleading. Capitalism is not a political system; it is a form of economic life, compatible in practice with right wing dictatorships (Chile under Pinochet), left-wing dictatorships (contemporary China), social-democratic monarchies (Sweden), and plutocratic republics (the United States), whether capitalist economies thrive best under conditions of freedom is perhaps more of an open question than we like to think." Tony Judt 'Ill fares the Land'
    Very interesting, but some of us think both sides are a bit Nuts. If someone starts a Party based on Common Sense and the Good of the Nation and it's People and the Constitution they will take over American Politics and if no one does we will get two more choices like we had in 2016, except maybe next time no one will bother to vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Subdermal View Post
    Because the oil of rabid Progressivism is utterly incompatible with the water of traditional American values.
    And "progressives" (a.k.a. liberals) frequently do just what they accuse (wrongly) conservatives of doing: i.e. they attempt to shut down all debate, rather than engaging actively in it (for instance, on many college campuses, where they have made free speech anathema--why, it might just damage their delicate feelings).

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    Karl, ya gotta admit, this is much better than the $#@!hole forum you came from!
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