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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Translate it any way you want.

    I'm sorry, but it needs no translation. You declined the challenge. Done with you.
    Wearing a mask with your nose sticking out is like wearing a condom on your testicles.

    When out walking, look out for PROBlems. You know: maskless Plague Rats On Bicycles who blow past you without giving you time to get out of the way.

    Ah, CONServatives, the Masters of Projection (MOPs). With CONServatives, every accusation is a confession. Weird, that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I agree that particulate matter, in certain concentrations, can and does have negative health effects; however, that does not mean the federal government should be in the business of regulating it, especially when you consider how localized pollution problems tend to be. Where there is a demonstrable interstate issue, then I suppose, in that limited context, the federal government can intervene, but to give them broad regulatory powers over ALL particulate matter is asking for trouble and overreach. Most pollution problems can be handled on the state and local level and should be handled there because those problems are usually confined to a relatively small space.
    That would be fine if the state actually did something, but all too often the state has been more concerned with losing the tax revenue from those businesses and the jobs that they generated than they have been about human health risk. More often than not the people being affected by the pollution were the poorest residents, because good neighborhoods are not located next to stinky factories or the tailing ponds of the mining industry. Consider the Dakota Access Pipeline situation. The pipeline would originally have crossed the river north of Bismark, but in its environmental assessment, the Army Corps of Engineers rejected the Bismarck route to protect wells that serve the Bismark municipal water supply. Yet the chosen route instead poses a risk to the Standing Rock Sioux reservation's water supply. Love Canal is another prime example. The people there owned homes that they couldn't sell, so they couldn't even afford to move away.

    Here's a situation brewing:

    Eight Northeastern and mid-Atlantic governors on Monday petitioned the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to require "upwind" states in the Midwest and South to curb ozone-forming pollution from their power plants, which they say travels downwind and poses health risks to their citizens.They want the EPA to force nine states - Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, North Carolina, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia and West Virginia - to regulate the emissions that cross into their borders through prevailing winds and contribute to higher ozone levels to the north and east of the upwind states. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...9B80M520131209
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    Quote Originally Posted by OGIS View Post
    The west coast of the US is getting smog from China.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...-air-pollution

    The west coast is already polluted... with leftists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyz View Post
    The west coast is already polluted... with leftists.
    Off topic bad faith post? You?
    Wearing a mask with your nose sticking out is like wearing a condom on your testicles.

    When out walking, look out for PROBlems. You know: maskless Plague Rats On Bicycles who blow past you without giving you time to get out of the way.

    Ah, CONServatives, the Masters of Projection (MOPs). With CONServatives, every accusation is a confession. Weird, that.

    ............Oh, what fresh hell is this?
    ,,,........¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯
    ....... Not my circus, not my monkeys

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    Quote Originally Posted by OGIS View Post
    I'm sorry, but it needs no translation. You declined the challenge. Done with you.
    Right. I don't feel like arguing against your incoherent ramblings. My bad......

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    Quote Originally Posted by OGIS View Post
    I offered to, with Tahuyaman, and he declined.

    As, I think, would you, as you would be called out on your usually angry, snide, condescending ad hom. Which is why I won't bother with asking you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Subdermal View Post
    Tissue?

    You need prompting in order to address the key issues? Typical liberal: needs to be hand-held in order to do something productive.

    Don't lie, OGIS. You don't want to talk about it because you'd far rather Chicken Little the $#@! out of this forum. You had your opportunity to frame the debate in the proper terms, but - instead - you took it to the theater of the absurd, speaking of conservatives who want everyone to die of smog.

    Asinine is as asinine does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannons Front View Post
    You are correct, Germany has made great strides but they still get around 40% of their power from coal, and another chunk from Nuclear. The article you quote shows that at one point on one specific day, they produced enough power. But it is not sustainable at this point still. What they did is great, I am not taking anything away from it, heck they even export electricity because of it. We can do more but with every country you have different issues and different solutions. The German model will not work here as well, the vast area difference alone is a great challenge.
    Solar works best at the individual home level and wind possibly at the neighborhood or community level. They don't get properly developed because they lack the $200.00 a month umbilical cord.

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