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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    No one is immune from falling for the propaganda.
    Propaganda of what, that there is no industrial pollution that kills people?

    Go ahead and show me evidence that your position is valid. I'll listen, but otherwise, to be honest, you are guilty of what you project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by del View Post
    you are.

    as are other members of the igneous, metamorphic and sedementary families
    Fossil records? How about some current examples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    Propaganda of what, that there is no industrial pollution that kills people?

    Go ahead and show me evidence that your position is valid. I'll listen, but otherwise, to be honest, you are guilty of what you project.

    Show me evidence that the motivation of industry is to kill people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Show me evidence that the motivation of industry is to kill people.
    No, that's your projection, you show me evidence that the suggestion is that industry's objective is to kill people. I don't believe that, I suggested as much earlier but you weren't sharp enough to recognize that.

    Your point, your burden of proof.

    My point as was @del 's is that the objective of industry is to maximize shareholder profits, and if the cost of that profit maximization is at the expense of polluting and killing commoners, so be it.

    Now, again - you tell me why my observation is inaccurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Show me evidence that the motivation of industry is to kill people.
    tell me what kind of straw you use

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Some of these left wing loons actually believe that the people who run these large corporations think that they are somehow immune to the effects of breathing dirty air and drinking Poisionous water.

    They really believe that their goal is to destroy life as we know it.
    You are assuming that they live where they defecate. They don't. The tsars of these corporations may be living in Malta or Geneva or anywhere but where they are despoiling the planet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickt View Post
    Why am I not surprised you can't spell "freedom"? More hysteria about the sky is falling. Let me know when the government makes a decision relative to this nonsense.

    "I assume that creative Job Creators will figure out how to bottle and sell clean air."

    Really? I would assume liberals would suppor this. They enjoyed banning DDT and killing millions.

    Now for my big question. Are the air quality standards promoted by the leftists related to health or to destroying industry?


    Give them time , currently Monsanto is patenting the food you eat and Hershey is buying up water rights. It'll be a while before they get around to piped in clean air, but it will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethere View Post
    Tell that to Germany. We'd be in a favorable position on renewables, too, if our congress wasn't bought and sold by oil and coal companies.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...newable-energy
    You are correct, Germany has made great strides but they still get around 40% of their power from coal, and another chunk from Nuclear. The article you quote shows that at one point on one specific day, they produced enough power. But it is not sustainable at this point still. What they did is great, I am not taking anything away from it, heck they even export electricity because of it. We can do more but with every country you have different issues and different solutions. The German model will not work here as well, the vast area difference alone is a great challenge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    You are assuming that they live where they defecate. They don't. The tsars of these corporations may be living in Malta or Geneva or anywhere but where they are despoiling the planet.

    You guys come up with some doozies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannons Front View Post
    I think it is a given that the air quality has improved greatly since the 50's and 60's, I have not heard anyone saying that we should move back to that standard. What many people are saying and what no one on the Clean energy seems to care about is currently there is no way to economically replace fossil fuels. These numbers are for electricity generation alone,
    Coal = 33% Natural gas = 33%
    Nuclear = 20%
    Hydropower = 6%
    Other renewables = 7%
    • Biomass = 1.6%
    • Geothermal = 0.4%
    • Solar = 0.6%
    • Wind = 4.7%
    Petroleum = 1%
    So 67% of our electricity comes from Fossil Fuels, what is your replacement?

    From 1973 to 2012, the DOE and its predecessors spent $154.7 Billion (2012$) of our tax dollars on “Energy R&D”* and has yet to produce a significant energy technology that is commercially viable (i.e., without tax breaks and/or subsidies).
    So we shut down our fossil fuel power plants and replace them with what?????
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