Get ready for the freedumb to breathe filthy air

[Tahuyaman]

We are not going to be breathing "dirty air."

Industry has progressed and developed ways to produce their products in a safer and cleaner manner. Not because It was forced upon them by government.

[Mini Me]

I remember the endless recalls of tainted food products and violations during the GW Bush dynasty.

And I grew up with the horrid air pollution in The Ellay basin before I left in '71, for the fresh mountain air of
Mammoth lakes, CA. I could not take it anymore! The smog went over the mountains into the Mojave desert!

[Bo-4]

I remember the endless recalls of tainted food products and violations during the GW Bush dynasty.

And I grew up with the horrid air pollution in The Ellay basin before I left in '71, for the fresh mountain air of
Mammoth lakes, CA. I could not take it anymore! The smog went over the mountains into the Mojave desert!

That's a slice of heaven right there.

Caught many a fat rainbow back in the day!

[Subdermal]

I remember the endless recalls of tainted food products and violations during the GW Bush dynasty.

And I grew up with the horrid air pollution in The Ellay basin before I left in '71, for the fresh mountain air of
Mammoth lakes, CA. I could not take it anymore! The smog went over the mountains into the Mojave desert!

Just like you 'remembered' that Bush called the Constitution a piece of paper?

[Bo-4]

Just like you 'remembered' that Bush called the Constitution a piece of paper?

No - a "GOD D*MNED piece of paper

[OGIS]

The true cost of industry is not born by the company or the shareholders, it's born by common people.

You can keep repeating that mantra to yourself, that's your choice. There is a price paid to emissions and pollution and it's not born by industry.

This is one of the biggest fallacies of capitalism.

It's actually not the fault of a consistent, enforced private-property, free-market system, if one were to exist. What we call capitalism is largely cronyism of the money-trading globalist elites, supported by a base of hard-working small entrepreneurship that gets the short end of the stick.

A consistent private-property, free-market system would be nothing like you have ever experienced. For one thing, there would be no such thing as unabated pollution because there would be regulations protecting "the commons" from industry socializing their disposal costs.

This would probably increase the cost of many products to included their true environmental costs.

Also see my thread on "socialized" fishing. Government setting enforced bag limits for finite, exterminate-able "commons" resources such as fish is actually in long-term support of as free a market system as is possible within the context of that particular "commons" resource.

[OGIS]

Show me evidence that the motivation of industry is to kill people.

The motivation of industry is to make as much profit as possible. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Hey, when I sold books on Amazon, I would charge everything the market would bear.

But the goal of profit says nothing about tactics. You know, don't you, that not just honest and ethical people go into business, right? There is a valid reason for the "Let the buyer beware" saying.

Ever studied the meat packing industry around the turn of the century? Prime example of unregulated industry. Check out old pictures of the burning Cuyahoga River. That's due to industrial firms socializing their flammable/toxic chemical disposal costs. No one forced these upstanding Job Creators to do these things (and countless others). They did them in search of more profit.

Again, I am NOT anti-profit. But where does one draw limits? When an individual or an organization starts to deliberately kill people? We generally refer to that as organized crime. We have laws against murder theft, and rape. We also need laws against hidden fraud and the ability of individuals and organizations to socialize what are rightly their own costs.

[OGIS]

Give them time , currently Monsanto is patenting the food you eat and Hershey is buying up water rights. It'll be a while before they get around to piped in clean air, but it will happen.

What you are describing is the "privatization of the commons."

Compare/contrast the impact of the Enclosure Laws that ultimately gave rise to the current system.

Our great grandchildren may routinely pay monthly bills for:
- their clean air (possibly suitable perfumed to their liking),
- their designer drinking water (doped, say, with tailored CRISPR tech that helps cleanse their body of carcinogenic chromosomes), and
- their food cartridges, which plug right into the back of the food 3D printer right next to the dinner table...

... and think absolutely nothing of it.

[Ethereal]

I agree that particulate matter, in certain concentrations, can and does have negative health effects; however, that does not mean the federal government should be in the business of regulating it, especially when you consider how localized pollution problems tend to be. Where there is a demonstrable interstate issue, then I suppose, in that limited context, the federal government can intervene, but to give them broad regulatory powers over ALL particulate matter is asking for trouble and overreach. Most pollution problems can be handled on the state and local level and should be handled there because those problems are usually confined to a relatively small space.

[Subdermal]

No - a "GOD D*MNED piece of paper

Did you "remember" that too?