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Thread: What Does It Mean to Have a 'Right' to Health Care?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    Let them die in agony if it might cost you a few cents to treat them.
    we don't see you donating the US medical insurance program.
    Everything is on its way to somewhere
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    There is no right to health care. There is no right to take something from one to give to another. Personally, I believe that we have a moral responsibility take care of those that cannot do so for themselves. I understand that you don't all agree. A society is judged on how it treats its most vulnerable -- it's youngest, elderly and it's poorest. I try to do my part. I'm sure that I fail miserably but I try.
    I agree with you fully DG, if the richest country in the world cant provide medical care to all its citizens then we just suck, period.

    Along with that we should do our best to assure its only the truly indigent that we pay for. Those that can work and provide for themselves can eat cake until they get off their ass.
    "The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it"



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    Long as it's a natural law social obligation and not a positive law legal one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    we don't see you donating the US medical insurance program.
    Not being American, why should I? I invested in my country's national insurance programme and it's treated me and my family throughout my life, without charge at the point of use. It's what civilised societies do.

    They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Your quote is frequently used to justify the government's plundering of one group of people for the benefit of another group of people. It is evil to its core.
    I modified a quote of John Paul II's about abortion. I am not familiar with the use in which you reference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    Not being American, why should I? I invested in my country's national insurance programme and it's treated me and my family throughout my life, without charge at the point of use. It's what civilised societies do.

    But don't you belong to the community of man?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    I agree with you fully DG, if the richest country in the world cant provide medical care to all its citizens then we just suck, period.

    Along with that we should do our best to assure its only the truly indigent that we pay for. Those that can work and provide for themselves can eat cake until they get off their ass.
    You are free to join together with others to find a way to fund other people's wants and needs. No one is stopping you. Instead, like all garden variety totalitarians you want the government to commit robbery, to plunder your neighbors on your behalf. This very idea that people like you can steal, outright steal wealth from others, is abhorrent to all free people.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of states to propose amendments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    I modified a quote of John Paul II's about abortion. I am not familiar with the use in which you reference.
    You are being cute. My point remains, you behave as any other garden variety totalitarian.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of states to propose amendments.

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    It seems to me that some people want a safe, peaceful and happy country but don't really want to contribute to anything or anyone that they disagree with, don't like or don't think are deserving of assistance. Unfortunately, because such decisions are entirely subjective, a society modelled on those principles will end up with a large number of citizens in name only who aren't the right ethnicity or color or are not humble enough to receive the charity of the bigots. What happens next is a country that is neither safe, peaceful or happy.
    "The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    It seems to me that some people want a safe, peaceful and happy country but don't really want to contribute to anything or anyone that they disagree with, don't like or don't think are deserving of assistance. Unfortunately, because such decisions are entirely subjective, a society modelled on those principles will end up with a large number of citizens in name only who aren't the right ethnicity or color or are not humble enough to receive the charity of the bigots. What happens next is a country that is neither safe, peaceful or happy.
    And yet the relatively homogeneous countries tend to be happier. Perhaps it's actually when a society is modeled on cosmopolitan values that you wind up with a population of citizens in name only.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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