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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    I know a man, he has a PhD in electrical engineering. He chose to be an at home father. His wife is a medical doctor.

    Cut the tax burden on the productive and the productive will produce children. Every nation with confiscatory tax rates has a falling birth rate.
    Have you ever noticed that even really wealthy Americans don't tend to have more than two kids as a rule? Clearly, money is not an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Have you ever noticed that even really wealthy Americans don't tend to have more than two kids as a rule? Clearly, money is not an issue.
    Were you planning on relying on the 1% to produce all of the children? This makes me smile. As a former 3-4%er I suppose I should have around 20 children that I know of.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Were you planning on relying on the 1% to produce all of the children? This makes me smile. As a former 3-4%er I suppose I should have around 20 children that I know of.
    No, but your argument that if taxes were lower that educated women in particular, would necessarily choose to have more children doesn't really fly. Educated women are having fewer children because they don't want to be tied down to child rearing. They want their careers for reasons other than just the financial aspect. They would rather work and pay for someone else to clean the house than give up their careers and live a life of domestic drudgery. Also, given the divorce rate, it really doesn't pay to be a housewife with no working history or a history that is so out of date by the time the divorce happens that they can't get jobs that really pay enough prevent a drastic change in economic circumstances. Alimony is not the rule anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    No, but your argument that if taxes were lower that educated women in particular, would necessarily choose to have more children doesn't really fly. Educated women are having fewer children because they don't want to be tied down to child rearing. They want their careers for reasons other than just the financial aspect. They would rather work and pay for someone else to clean the house than give up their careers and live a life of domestic drudgery. Also, given the divorce rate, it really doesn't pay to be a housewife with no working history or a history that is so out of date by the time the divorce happens that they can't get jobs that really pay enough prevent a drastic change in economic circumstances. Alimony is not the rule anymore.
    While you are right, ONE of the roads to getting people to reproduce is to take the tax burden off. We have to create new opportunities for Americans; reduce the size, scope and power of government; put the brakes on the welfare state; get those who have been disenfranchised back on their feet and able to function.

    We have to quit apologizing for our culture and figure out that multiculturalism is the culprit behind the decline of nations. We cannot be everything to everybody. We cannot be the world's police force and feed the entire world nor even babysit them all the time. Fewer government regulations, fewer taxes, a renewed emphasis on the importance of our culture... it's a big package that we will have to put together IF we want to survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    No, but your argument that if taxes were lower that educated women in particular, would necessarily choose to have more children doesn't really fly. Educated women are having fewer children because they don't want to be tied down to child rearing. They want their careers for reasons other than just the financial aspect. They would rather work and pay for someone else to clean the house than give up their careers and live a life of domestic drudgery. Also, given the divorce rate, it really doesn't pay to be a housewife with no working history or a history that is so out of date by the time the divorce happens that they can't get jobs that really pay enough prevent a drastic change in economic circumstances. Alimony is not the rule anymore.
    You are a leftist liberal. No argument I present would convince you. You have an agenda. You love high taxes and lots of immigrants to supplant real Americans.

    I get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    I think that you are expecting that without fiscal constraints that women would readily accept having more than two children or even more than one. Women don't only work for the money, they also work for the intellectual stimulation. The problem group in terms of low birth rate are the educated. People with educations actually want to use them for something. Staying at home and keeping house doesn't do much for someone who would really rather be a lawyer or an engineer.
    My wife and I both work. You know what you find out? What I'm holding is what actually matters, the rest is just a bunch of corporate nonsense!

    I'm not a barefoot and pregnant kind of guy, but we should celebrate the stay-at-home PARENT (not necessarily mom) and really when its 6am and the buzzer goes off and I'm rushing to get them out the door to the school bus, trust me, I'd rather just sleep in and snuggle up with my bubble guppies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    You are a leftist liberal. No argument I present would convince you. You have an agenda. You love high taxes and lots of immigrants to supplant real Americans.

    I get it.
    No, most of the educated women I know are career driven regardless of political leanings. They would have a decent income even if they stayed home. That's not why they work. There is a high correlation between education and low birth rate. They generally wait until they are well into their 30's or later to have children because a career can be derailed by maternity and taking time off for kids before it is well established.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    I am posting this based on comments in another thread which I don't want to derail. However, the comments posted suggested that America should be importing more Europeans than those from third-world countries. That actually presupposes that Europeans are lining up to immigrate to America. However, the fact is that America is plagued with a very low birth rate.

    "The new birth rate numbers are out, and they're a disaster. There are now only 59.6 births per 1,000 women, the lowest rate ever recorded in the United States. Some of the decrease is due to good news, which is the continuing decline of teen pregnancies, but most of it is due to people getting married later and choosing to have fewer children. And the worst part is, everyone is treating this news with a shrug."

    http://theweek.com/articles/642303/a...onal-emergency

    Europe has a very similar problem:

    "Europe is ageing. On average, each woman has 1.58 children in the EU, substantially below the 2.1 children needed to sustain the current population level. Due to low death-rates and high net-migration, the overall population in Europe may be increasing, but the median age is crawling slowly upwards: 42 years in 2014 compared to just 29 a decade earlier."

    http://www.debatingeurope.eu/2016/05.../#.WNxEb28rKM8

    So, if you are tasked with population replacement, do you bring in more people who won't reproduce or do you bring in people who will produce future tax payers.

    Discuss.
    You remove the barriers to having a family. Importing is a foolish solution - even if the people look like you.

    People need to be able to have families and not be crippled by government policies and taxation that stifle it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Then who will pay for the ginormous military budget and service existing national debt?
    Repudiation of some debt is smart.

    And the military could use a haircut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newpublius View Post
    My wife and I both work. You know what you find out? What I'm holding is what actually matters, the rest is just a bunch of corporate nonsense!

    I'm not a barefoot and pregnant kind of guy, but we should celebrate the stay-at-home PARENT (not necessarily mom) and really when its 6am and the buzzer goes off and I'm rushing to get them out the door to the school bus, trust me, I'd rather just sleep in and snuggle up with my bubble guppies!
    I'm not commenting on those who want to be stay at home parents, but many don't want to be stay at home parents. They want intellectual challenges. Between two parents, hopefully, they can strike a home/work balance that works. My experience is seeing women trying to do everything and running themselves ragged, but that's another topic.
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