Trump, China, and North Korea

[Peter1469]

Trump, China, and North Korea
While the fake news has people's attention war is close at hand.

"China has great influence over North Korea. And China will either decide to help us with North Korea, or they won’t. And if they do that will be very good for China, and if they don’t it won’t be good for anyone," Trump was quoted as saying, according to an edited transcript published by the newspaper.Asked what incentive the United States had to offer China, Trump replied: "Trade is the incentive. It is all about trade."


Asked if he would consider a "grand bargain" in which China pressured Pyongyang in return for a guarantee the United States would later remove troops from the Korean peninsula, the newspaper quoted Trump as saying: "Well if China is not going to solve North Korea, we will. That is all I am telling you."

I maintain that China would prefer to bring North Korea to heel on its own rather than risk the US and South Korea on its border.

But don't let reality get in the way of searches for the showers of gold.

Trump's national security aides have completed a review of U.S. options to try to curb North Korea's nuclear and missile programs that includes economic and military measures but leans more toward sanctions and increased pressure on Beijing to rein in its reclusive neighbor, a U.S. official said.

Although the option of pre-emptive military strikes on North Korea is not off the table, the review prioritizes less-risky steps and "de-emphasizes direct military action," the official added, saying it was not immediately known if the National Security Council recommendations had made their way to Trump.


The White House declined comment on the recommendations.

[Casper]

Trump, China, and North Korea
While the fake news has people's attention war is close at hand.



I maintain that China would prefer to bring North Korea to heel on its own rather than risk the US and South Korea on its border.

But don't let reality get in the way of searches for the showers of gold.

So, if China does not deal with North Korea we should start trade war with China? Good grief.............

[Peter1469]

So, if China does not deal with North Korea we should start trade war with China? Good grief.............

Or we attack North Korea before they prefect an ICBM.

That is not acceptable.

[Casper]

Or we attack North Korea before they prefect an ICBM.

That is not acceptable.

Nuking other Nations so they do not get the same sorts of weapons is unacceptable, unfortunately many do not see the irony in that thinking.

[Peter1469]

Nuking other Nations so they do not get the same sorts of weapons is unacceptable, unfortunately many do not see the irony in that thinking.

Why nuke them? Although it would be easier.

Here is an article that I posted in two other threads about North Korea.

The US is considering a direct strike against North Korea — here’s how it would go down

[waltky]

Granny says, "Dat's right - Fatboy got no common sense...

Foreign investors leave North Korea, citing corruption, 'lack of common sense'
July 3, 2017 -- Foreign investors who were once lured by promises of high returns in a North Korean city are leaving after suffering heavy losses, according to a South Korean press report.

Daily NK reported Monday that Chinese and Russian investors are withdrawing their financial support for projects in Rason, the northeastern North Korean city designated a special economic zone under Kim Jong Il, the father of current leader Kim Jong Un. Outside investors were discouraged by relentless corruption, according to North Korean sources in North Hamgyong province who spoke to Daily NK on the condition of anonymity. State authorities often made demands outside business contracts, or concocted excuses to not return investment profits to foreign interests, sources said.

North Korean authorities in Rason, North Hamgyong province, are extorting money and gasoline from foreign investors, sources in the country say.

Some Russian and Chinese enterprises are leaving Rason because they realized they "could not solve the problem using common sense" with the North Koreans, according to one source in the province bordering China and Russia. The investors, who were unable to recoup their losses, decided to "get out of the city before suffering more damage," the source said. Russian companies that had begun construction on new buildings suspended their projects, leaving behind "skeletal structures" that stand unfinished in a city once touted for its economic potential as a trading hub. Individual Chinese investors are among those who have "not received a penny in return for their investment" and are quitting the city.

Others cannot leave Rason, but the source did not specify whether they are unable to leave because of North Korea regulations, or because they cannot afford to exit their North Korea investments. There is also evidence of skyrocketing gasoline prices, according to the report. Corruption among state officers has enabled them to make other demands that extend beyond bribes and include requirements for gasoline from the foreign business community. The price of gasoline is $5.56 per gallon, up from $3.33 per gallon in recent weeks, according to the report.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-Ne...&utm_medium=17

[gamewell45]

Why nuke them? Although it would be easier.

Here is an article that I posted in two other threads about North Korea.

The US is considering a direct strike against North Korea — here’s how it would go down

On paper it looks good.....if things go according to plan, but for example, if even one submarine gets through and launches nuclear missiles towards the US and they are not all shot down by our classified weapons systems, the results could be disastrous not only for the US, but for the world at large. Which is why it is much better to find a diplomatic solution if at all possible.

Fatboy is a psycho and there is no telling what he'd do if attacked and feels he's going to lose since his little world would be collapsing in front of his very eyes. Ideally, it would be desirable to send in a team and have them take him out sniper style; I'm wondering if that would be more feasible then taking a chance with fatboy getting his boyhood dream and launching his precious nukes towards us or NK/Japan? After all it would be better that way as opposed to massive casualties of US Soldiers/SK Soldier/Civies in South Korea.

[Peter1469]

US President calls emergency meeting to formulate 'measured response' to North Korea's record-breaking missile test amid fears one could hit Alaska

North Korea fired off an ICBM.

President Donald Trump called an emergency meeting on the Fourth of July to formulate a 'measured response' to North Korea's first intercontinental ballistic missile test, amid fears it could reach as far as Alaska.


North Korea declared Tuesday that it had finally achieved its dream of building an intercontinental ballistic missile, saying it would 'fundamentally put an end to the US nuclear war threat and blackmail'.


U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson later confirmed the latest missile test was with an intercontinental ballistic missile.


And Tillerson says that’s a new escalation of the threat posed to the United States and the world by North Korea.

[waltky]

Granny says, "Dat's right - hit `em inna pocketbook - dat'll make `em sit up an' take notice...

Treasury Secretary Announces Sanctions Against Chinese Bank in Crackdown on North Korea
June 30, 2017 | Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin on Thursday announced U.S. sanctions against China's Bank of Dandong for its dealings with North Korea.

"Today, the Trump administration is continuing its efforts against the government of North Korea. Despite multiple U.N. Security Council resolutions imposing international sanctions, the government of North Korea continues its nuclear and ballistic missile programs," Mnuchin said Thursday during a televised White House briefing. "Today, Treasury’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network has found the Bank of Dandong to be a foreign financial institution of primary money laundering concern under Section 311 of the U.S.A Patriot Act. This bank has served as a gateway for North Korea to access the U.S. and international financial systems, facilitating millions of dollars of transactions for companies involved in North Korea’s nuclear and ballistic missile programs," Mnuchin said. "The United States will not stand for such action. "This will require U.S. banks to ensure that the Bank of Dandong does not access the U.S. financial system directly or indirectly through other foreign banks. This action reaffirms the Treasury Department’s commitment to ensure that North Korea is cut off from the U.S. financial system," he said.

Sanctions were also announced by Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) against two Chinese individuals and one Chinese company in response to North Korea's weapons of mass destruction development and continued violations of United Nations Security Council resolutions. Chinese citizen Sun Wei, who has been closely aligned with the U.S.-designated Foreign Trade Bank in establishing and running a cover company on behalf of the bank, and Chinese citizen Li Hong Ri, who established several front companies used by Beijing-based, U.S.-designated Ri Song Hyok, were targeted by sanctions.

Dalian Global Unity Shipping Company was also sanctioned for operating in the transportation industry in the North Korean economy. The company was actively involved in eight cases of smuggling luxury goods. It reportedly transports 700,000 tons of freight annually, including coal and steel products, between China and North Korea. "While today’s actions are directed at Chinese individuals and entities, we look forward to continuing working closely with the government of China to stop illicit financing involving North Korea. We are in no way targeting China with these actions. We will be meeting with China and other countries at the G20 next week to further our efforts to cut off North Korea’s illicit activities," Mnuchin said. "North Korea’s provocative, destabilizing, and inhumane behavior will not be tolerated. We are committed to targeting North Korea’s external enablers in maximizing economic pressure on the regime until it ceases its nuclear and ballistic missile programs," he said. "This is very significant, since this is the first bank that we’ve cut off under this," Mnuchin said, adding that the U.S. "will continue to look at these actions and continue to roll out sanctions." "As I said, in this case it’s millions of dollars, but we are committed to cutting off all illegal funds going to North Korea," he added.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...bank-crackdown

[Refugee]

North Korea; always an interesting subject, but forget the bluster, hype and rhetoric. No one wants to see N. Korea collapse and that includes the US if millions of ‘zombies’ flood into S. Korea, or East into China, where the Chinese will happily shoot those who cross the border and have done in the past. As for the ‘Dear Leader’ and his cronies who rule N. Korea, they’re a bit too shrewd to take on any developed nation and lose their own power and privilege from the resulting backlash. Entering N. Korea is like going back into a pre-war Stalinist time warp, but it’s also a warning. It’s what the west would look like after half a century of Obama’s and if the European Union commissioners had their way. This will all blow over, as it regularly does. N. Korea will be promised more aid, the ‘dear one’ will back down and everyone stays happy.