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    Rant about multiculturalism

    (This is a script I'm working on for a YouTube video that I may record tonight but I thought it would make good discussion)


    Last year sometime I made a video about multiculturalism that I regret. At that time I still supported multiculturalism. I said really stupid things in that video, mainly my lame argument that since I enjoy a lot of things that come from other cultures, I must be enjoying the benefits of multiculturalism.

    Well, that really was a really lame argument. One doesnít need to live in a multicultural society to enjoy things that originally come from other cultures. I donít have to know anything at all about Chinese culture to enjoy Chinese food. Iím left-handed; I shouldnít feel guilty for using my left hand to eat food at a Middle-Eastern restaurant.

    Maybe that sounds selfish because it IS somewhat selfish, but thatís part of human nature. We learn about our own culture first and foremost, and if weíre not going out of our way to offend people, it shouldnít matter.

    People who come to LIVE here should try to assimilate into our culture. They should learn about our culture and do their best to fit in.

    It shouldnít be the other way around, where they get to keep their culture fully intact and weíre supposed to learn about their culture in order to get along or communicate. I mean, donít get me wrong, I donít think itís a BAD thing to learn about other cultures, but it shouldnít be a requirement unless YOU are the outsider, unless YOU are the one in a foreign country.

    Some countries are $#@!holes as far as Iím concerned; propping up cultures from $#@!hole countries just doesnít seem smart to me, and thatís kind of what multiculturalism doesóit props up ALL cultures as being of equal value, and theyíre CLEARLY not all of equal value. Some cultures are downright barbaric and quite frankly I hope they feel unwelcome here. We have high standards here and we shouldnít set them lower to accommodate cultures from $#@!hole countries.

    If you want the values from the country you came from and donít want to learn ours, stay in your country, donít come here unless youíre just visiting. If you live here and you want values that other countries have, move to one of those countries.

    Iím glad that I live somewhere that I mostly have freedom of speech. Europe seems to be clamping down on that more and more and Iím really glad Iím not there. Itís not that I want to say terrible things, I donít, but Iíd like the FREEDOM to be able to.

    Racist speech can land you in jail in parts of Europe, merely offending people can result in fines, I donít doubt for a moment that blasphemy will eventually be something you can get arrested for, particularly with all the Muslims pouring into European countries who get mortally offended if you merely mention Islam without praising it. But I digress.

    Iím FOR a melting pot, Iím against multiculturalism.
    Sorry--but I do not accept the idea that being intolerant of intolerance is THE SAME THING as being intolerant of anything else.

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    I generally enjoy learning about other cultures and societies.

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    I like to learn about other cultures as well, but not everyone does. For the sake of getting along and communication, it should be up to the people coming to this country to learn other cultures, not the people already living here.
    Sorry--but I do not accept the idea that being intolerant of intolerance is THE SAME THING as being intolerant of anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kizzume View Post
    I like to learn about other cultures as well, but not everyone does. For the sake of getting along and communication, it should be up to the people coming to this country to learn other cultures, not the people already living here.
    I'm not for making anyone do anything, but I would always encourage people to learn about other cultures.

    Luckily Americans are net exporters of culture, so to a certain extent first generation immigrants are probably already exposed to us.

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    I don't have a problem with different cultures. That's what has made America. The problem I have is when they come here and expect not to go by our laws every other American goes by. The requirements should be for all including knowing how to read and write simple English and go by the correct way to citizenship. Not by crossing the border or expect us to change our laws. If they don't like our laws they should stay away. No separate courts, if you are an American regardless of your beliefs.

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    The problem comes when the immigrants decide to not assimilate. Europe has much worse problems than American in this regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadmaster View Post
    I don't have a problem with different cultures. That's what has made America. The problem I have is when they come here and expect not to go by our laws every other American goes by. The requirements should be for all including knowing how to read and write simple English and go by the correct way to citizenship. Not by crossing the border or expect us to change our laws. If they don't like our laws they should stay away. No separate courts, if you are an American regardless of your beliefs.
    What she said ^

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    I get confused with the politically correct business. For example, is there a difference between multi-cultural and diversity? I had diversity training when I was working. At the end of the three days we were asked to state what we'd learned. It was pretty much sweetness and light until it was my turn. "We learned who it's okay to hate." Consternation and anger. "What do you mean?" "Well, it's okay to hate certain groups but not others. Jews, white males, fundamentalist Christians and okay to hate."

    One of the women leading the group said, "I'm gay and fundamentalist Christians want to kill me so you're $#@!ed right I hate them."
    "Really? You just spent three days with some fundamentalist Christians from where I work and I saw you have very pleasant conversations with them."
    "Who? Who are they?"

    In my opinion, it was so much silliness.

    With my job I was a liaison with the local mosque, we had only one, and I found the guys generally decent enough. Some of the culture I found worthy of emulation and some not. I obviously didn't get to chat with the woman.

    But recently Morsi in Egypt demanded that we, as a nation and a people, respect the Arab culture. No. There are aspects of the Arab culture that I do not respect, will not respect, and they can forget about it. I don't respect everything about cultures in the U.S.

    I think we should have a national culture. We should welcome all to join us. We should take, as we have historically, the things from other cultures that would enhance ours and adopt them. The culture is what distinguishes a U.S. citizen from an American.

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    Multiculturalism and diversity have the paradoxical effect of destroying culture and diversity. It's a mass leveling or homogenization if you will. It turns human beings into nothing more than consumers with no culture aside from Big Macs and reality TV. That's why American culture is in many respects so repulsive to foreigners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickt View Post
    I get confused with the politically correct business. For example, is there a difference between multi-cultural and diversity? I had diversity training when I was working. At the end of the three days we were asked to state what we'd learned. It was pretty much sweetness and light until it was my turn. "We learned who it's okay to hate." Consternation and anger. "What do you mean?" "Well, it's okay to hate certain groups but not others. Jews, white males, fundamentalist Christians and okay to hate."

    One of the women leading the group said, "I'm gay and fundamentalist Christians want to kill me so you're $#@!ed right I hate them."
    "Really? You just spent three days with some fundamentalist Christians from where I work and I saw you have very pleasant conversations with them."
    "Who? Who are they?"

    In my opinion, it was so much silliness.

    With my job I was a liaison with the local mosque, we had only one, and I found the guys generally decent enough. Some of the culture I found worthy of emulation and some not. I obviously didn't get to chat with the woman.

    But recently Morsi in Egypt demanded that we, as a nation and a people, respect the Arab culture. No. There are aspects of the Arab culture that I do not respect, will not respect, and they can forget about it. I don't respect everything about cultures in the U.S.

    I think we should have a national culture. We should welcome all to join us. We should take, as we have historically, the things from other cultures that would enhance ours and adopt them. The culture is what distinguishes a U.S. citizen from an American.
    I admire you for exposing their agenda. With courage.

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