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    Thumbs up Pruett wants out of Paris Agreement - What an idiot

    Why in God's name would you pull out of something that costs NOTHING, is favored by business and is working? China has taken a leadership role in renewable energy - piss them off and we'll all go backwards. Stupid is ...


    THE NEW YORK TIMES reports that the Trump administration has divided over whether to remove the United States from the Paris climate agreement, a landmark international deal with vast diplomatic and environmental significance. Withdrawing — or asking the Senate to decide what to do, which is effectively the same thing — would be an enormous and possibly irreparable error. This is not a hard call: Staying in the agreement is costless, while leaving would rightly provoke sharp and sustained international outrage.
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    The Paris agreement does not formally obligate the United States to make any particular level of emissions cuts. All it does is ask countries to announce emissions plans of their choosing and report on their progress. It has no major implications for U.S. sovereignty and demands no particular policy balance between environmental and industrial concerns. If the Trump administration wants to move that balance toward fossil fuel interests, it does not have to leave the Paris agreement to do so.
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    Leaving Paris would be nothing more than a gratuitous thumb in the eye of practically every important nation on the planet, a bizarre and irrational unforced error.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.58871074c3c6


    More on Undo-it Pruett - Enemy of the Planet:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.7f02a8f61bcc
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    I don't know much about it but this is what happens when there's non-binding agreements between countries. The actually wind up meaning nothing. In other words, Trump may be backing out of a nothing agreement. Something that we were not obligated to follow anyways. I don't have a position on the Paris Agreement one way or the other but I don't understand the hysteria over backing out of something that we've not legally fronted into.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-over-25-years

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    I don't know much about it but this is what happens when there's non-binding agreements between countries. The actually wind up meaning nothing. In other words, Trump may be backing out of a nothing agreement. Something that we were not obligated to follow anyways. I don't have a position on the Paris Agreement one way or the other but I don't understand the hysteria over backing out of something that we've not legally fronted into.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-over-25-years

    Dear NYT's: How can a voluntary non-binding agreement have 'vast environmental and diplomatic significance' if it has no legal status?
    You don't back out BECAUSE IT IS WORKING

    Agreements like this are ginormously difficult to reach, China and India have invested tens of billions in renewables, and you don't want to piss off the entire world.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/1...164915776.html

    Been to LA lately? - you can actually see more than 3 city blocks away.
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    I haven't been to LA since 13. It took me 1.6 hours to drive the 3.4 miles from the client's office to the Century City hotel I was staying at. I would've walked if I knew it would've taken that long.

    Who says it is working or the LA air is a tad bit cleaner because of the Paris Accord? I haven't seen it. Perhaps, the prior administration should've gotten Congress' approval before entering into a non-binding something-or-another. I'm not worried about pissing off the world. Most of them (particularly the Al Jazeera watchers) hate us anyways. Again, I don't know much about it, but the hysteria is b/c we'll piss of Al Jazeera? Really?
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    The Paris Climate Agreement. Do they agree that the earth has a climate which is naturally cyclical? If not, forget about them.

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    Solar - US invented it .. China owns it - Opportunity ABOUNDS

    Between 2008 and 2013, Chinese investment and technology reduced the cost of solar by 80% - a game changer.

    Many of their manufacturing plants are right here in the US.

    We can either be there, or be square

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo-4 View Post
    You don't back out BECAUSE IT IS WORKING
    It's not doing anything positive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo-4 View Post
    Between 2008 and 2013, Chinese investment and technology reduced the cost of solar by 80% - a game changer. Many of their manufacturing plants are right here in the US. We can either be there, or be square https://www.wallstreetdaily.com/2016...unity-springs/
    Which I applaud but is related to the Paris Accord how?
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    The US should not be promoting the hoax of man made climate change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    I haven't been to LA since 13. It took me 1.6 hours to drive the 3.4 miles from the client's office to the Century City hotel I was staying at. I would've walked if I knew it would've taken that long.

    Who says it is working or the LA air is a tad bit cleaner because of the Paris Accord? I haven't seen it. Perhaps, the prior administration should've gotten Congress' approval before entering into a non-binding something-or-another. I'm not worried about pissing off the world. Most of them (particularly the Al Jazeera watchers) hate us anyways. Again, I don't know much about it, but the hysteria is b/c we'll piss of Al Jazeera? Really?
    First, Al Jazeera US is VERY well respected as a news source. They are right up there with Reuters and NPR.

    No, LA is better partly because of Paris Agreement, but more because California has been in the forefront of emissions control.

    Which, reflects favorably on the progress reports we provide to 194 other nations.

    Pruitt is about to try to wreck all that, but California will most certainly continue to require vehicle manufacturers to comply if they want to sell their products in California.

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