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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    I think it is rather unlikely that the US and Russia will go to war against each other. Neither nation--or, more specifically, neither nation's leaders--wants it.

    For the record, neither do I.

    But there was a bit of tension just yesterday, as two nuclear-capable bombers flew within 100 miles of Alaska. These were met by two American jet fighters, who escorted the bombers away: Russian bombers fly near Alaska; Air Force scrambles jets | Fox News

    I will reiterate that I do not expect war between the US and Russia. (My take, for what it is worth, is that Putin is simply testing this new president, to see what he can get away with.)

    Still, I think Rex Tillerson (the US Secretary of State) was correct when he recently described relations between the two countries as being at a "low point" in recent times.

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    Agree for the most part. That said I do not put the possibility of a war as low as you do, Putin cannot be trusted, no KGB agent can be. They have been playing the close encounter game for a while now and it seems to be becoming more frequent, seems to be a common theme these days the Chinese are doing the same with the Japanese. The world is getting more and more dangerous as the Powers flex their muscles, all it takes is one incident and the World is at war and it would be something no one will want to repeat if anyone is around to do so. What gave me concern was with the so-called hacking attempts supposedly done by the Russians, we know the Chinese do it all the time, one of the efforts hardly mentioned was them attempting to hack into a power grid. Now that has only One purpose, to shut down the grid in a part or the entire Nation, mess that up and this Nation will eat itself alive if it were to last too long. So, you may believe that it is all for show and a "test", I hope you are right, but I will remain the skeptic and wait and see where it is going, it may all blow over, or it could all change in the blink of an eye.

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    It would have been refreshing to have this calm, reasonable demeanor from the hard right the past eight years.

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    OK. Well, this is pretty typical. Not sure why it has people spun up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Correct, [Donald Trump and Rex Tillerson] do [have the ability to make US-Russia relations better].
    Then I will reiterate that you appear to believe that "the poor relations" between Russia and the US are principally the fault of Donald Trump and Rex Tillerson.

    In fact, that seems almost tautological...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    Then I will reiterate that you appear to believe that "the poor relations" between Russia and the US are principally the fault of Donald Trump and Rex Tillerson.

    In fact, that seems almost tautological...
    Certainly, if they do nothing to repair those relations and take actions that make them worse, they will be just as responsible. That's just common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Certainly, if they do nothing to repair those relations and take actions that make them worse, they will be just as responsible. That's just common sense.
    If they do, the left will cry "he is in bed with the Russians" They mean to have their war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo-4 View Post
    We intrude into their air and water spaces regularly - pretty easy to do in certain places ...

    Don't see this as any big deal.

    Not to worry Sarah Palin Can Still See Russia, Promises To Keep An Eye On Them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Certainly, if they do nothing to repair those relations and take actions that make them worse, they will be just as responsible. That's just common sense.
    Why is it America's responsibility to "repair" relations with the Soviet Union--uh, with Putin's Russia? (I guess that is a distinction without a real difference.)

    And exactly what "actions" have Donald Trump and Rex Tillerson taken to make these relations "worse"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    Why is it America's responsibility to "repair" relations with the Soviet Union--uh, with Putin's Russia? (I guess that is a distinction without a real difference.)
    Because we elected to sour them in the first place.
    And exactly what "actions" have Donald Trump and Rex Tillerson taken to make these relations "worse"?
    So far? Needless intervention in Syria and remaining silent as NATO keeps building up forces along Russia's neighboring border states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Because we elected to sour them in the first place.
    So, it is the US--not the ruthless and revanchist Putin--who "elected to sour" relations?

    Strange.

    We had rather good relations when Gorbachev was the head of Russia.

    Likewise, when Yeltsin was...

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    So far? Needless intervention in Syria and remaining silent as NATO keeps building up forces along Russia's neighboring border states.
    The adjective, "[n]eedless," amounts to an editorial viewpoint--in other words, an opinion--not cold, hard facts.

    And those "border states" to which you refer, presumably, are NATO countries.

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