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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Why do you reject what Jesus said?
    I don't ever dare to reject what Lord Jesus said. Remember, the strange flesh means the flesh of abnormal sexual orientation that is contradicts natural sex between man+woman. Strange flesh stand for gays and sex with animals.
    According to your attempts, Chris, you defend sin, but not God's Truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Right, but how did this association come about?
    The term Sodomy. Area known as Sodom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    You haven't connected Sodom and Gomorrah to homosexuality yet. If Jesus said it was a sin of inhospitality, and Jude or anyone else disagrees, I'd go with Jesus, they got it wrong--or you're misinterpreting.

    Anyway, interesting discussion. Thanks.
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    The prevailing modern view of the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah is that the attempted rape of Lot's visitors violated the Mid-East's high code of hospitality (19:9). This inhospitality, however, is an inference, not a specific point made in the text itself.Further, the inhospitality charge is dependent upon—and eclipsed by—the greater crime of rape, yet neither could be the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah because God planned to judge the cities long before either had been committed. What possibility is left? Only one. We know the men of Sodom and Gomorrah were homosexual, "both young and old, all the people from every quarter" (19:6), to the point of disregarding available women (19:5-8). After they were struck sightless they still persisted (19:11). These men were totally given over to an overwhelming passion that did not abate even when they were supernaturally blinded by angels.

    Homosexuality fits the biblical details. It was the sin that epitomized the gross wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah—the "grave," "ungodly," "lawless," "sensual conduct of unprincipled men" that tormented Lot as he "saw and heard" it "day after day," the "corrupt desire" of those that went after "strange flesh." In their defense, some will cite Ezekiel 16:49-50: "Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food, and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me.Therefore I removed them when I saw it." No mention of homosexuality here.

    Clearly, the general wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah was great. That's not in question. Our concern here is whether homosexuality was part of that wickedness. Our analysis of Genesis shows that homosexuality was the principle behavior at issue in that passage. Ezekiel simply enumerates additional sins. The prophet doesn't contradict Moses, but rather gives more detail.
    Stinginess and arrogance alone did not draw God's wrath. Ezekiel anchored the list of crimes with the word "abominations." This word takes us right back to homosexuality. The conduct Moses refers to in Genesis 18 he later describes in Leviticus as an "abomination" in God’s eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seriy View Post
    I don't ever dare to reject what Lord Jesus said. Remember, the strange flesh means the flesh of abnormal sexual orientation that is contradicts natural sex between man+woman. Strange flesh stand for gays and sex with animals.
    According to your attempts, Chris, you defend sin, but not God's Truth.
    Now you're making things up, isn't that a sin? How will you be redeemed?

    I cited what Jesus had to say. You disagreed with Him, not me.

    Here's what Jesus said, defy Him if you like: Matthew 10:14-15

    And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

    Here's some more of what Jesus said:

    Matthew 22:36-40:

    Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
    Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
    This is the first and great commandment.
    And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
    On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RightWingExtremist View Post
    Check this out.

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    The prevailing modern view of the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah is that the attempted rape of Lot's visitors violated the Mid-East's high code of hospitality (19:9). This inhospitality, however, is an inference, not a specific point made in the text itself.Further, the inhospitality charge is dependent upon—and eclipsed by—the greater crime of rape, yet neither could be the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah because God planned to judge the cities long before either had been committed. What possibility is left? Only one. We know the men of Sodom and Gomorrah were homosexual, "both young and old, all the people from every quarter" (19:6), to the point of disregarding available women (19:5-8). After they were struck sightless they still persisted (19:11). These men were totally given over to an overwhelming passion that did not abate even when they were supernaturally blinded by angels.

    Homosexuality fits the biblical details. It was the sin that epitomized the gross wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah—the "grave," "ungodly," "lawless," "sensual conduct of unprincipled men" that tormented Lot as he "saw and heard" it "day after day," the "corrupt desire" of those that went after "strange flesh." In their defense, some will cite Ezekiel 16:49-50: "Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food, and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me.Therefore I removed them when I saw it." No mention of homosexuality here.

    Clearly, the general wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah was great. That's not in question. Our concern here is whether homosexuality was part of that wickedness. Our analysis of Genesis shows that homosexuality was the principle behavior at issue in that passage. Ezekiel simply enumerates additional sins. The prophet doesn't contradict Moses, but rather gives more detail.
    Stinginess and arrogance alone did not draw God's wrath. Ezekiel anchored the list of crimes with the word "abominations." This word takes us right back to homosexuality. The conduct Moses refers to in Genesis 18 he later describes in Leviticus as an "abomination" in God’s eyes.

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    Sorry, but you're way outside the Bible in your interpretation.

    The prevailing modern view of the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah is that the attempted rape of Lot's visitors violated the Mid-East's high code of hospitality
    That's what Jesus says Matthew 10:14-15.

    This inhospitality, however, is an inference, not a specific point made in the text itself.
    So you disagree with Jesus?

    Further, the inhospitality charge is dependent upon—and eclipsed by—the greater crime of rape, yet neither could be the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah because God planned to judge the cities long before either had been committed.
    Yes, the rape of strange flesh--angels. Look at the story, that's what happens.

    What possibility is left? Only one.
    Your personal interpretation is all that's left. Or rather the man you read and repeat.

    We know the men of Sodom and Gomorrah were homosexual
    Bible doesn't say that.

    Ezekiel 16:49-50.... No mention of homosexuality here.
    Correct.

    Our concern here is whether homosexuality was part of that wickedness.
    Right, that's where this discussion started, how did this association with homosexuality come about. It's not in the Bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seriy View Post
    I don't ever dare to reject what Lord Jesus said. Remember, the strange flesh means the flesh of abnormal sexual orientation that is contradicts natural sex between man+woman. Strange flesh stand for gays and sex with animals.
    According to your attempts, Chris, you defend sin, but not God's Truth.
    He clearly says men shall not lay with men nor women with women. It was never His intent. People can twist His words but it still comes out the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post

    Right, that's where this discussion started, how did this association with homosexuality come about. It's not in the Bible.
    Then all the men of the city surrounded Lot's house and said, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them." (Genesis 19:5, NIV) (Its a wonder you didn't see this one.)

    By ancient custom, the visitors were under Lot's protection. Lot was so infected by the wickedness of Sodom that he offered the homosexuals his two virgin daughters instead. Furious, the mob rushed up to break down the door.
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    If a gay couple loves each other and wants to commit their lives to each other then there is no reason in my opinion why they shouldn't be given the same opportunity as a straight couple to be married. The love between two gay people is no weaker than the love between two straight people. I think that if people spent more time appreciating, respecting, and wanting the best for people that happen to be different from them then gay marriage wouldn't be an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chloe View Post
    If a gay couple loves each other and wants to commit their lives to each other then there is no reason in my opinion why they shouldn't be given the same opportunity as a straight couple to be married. The love between two gay people is no weaker than the love between two straight people. I think that if people spent more time appreciating, respecting, and wanting the best for people that happen to be different from them then gay marriage wouldn't be an issue.
    What about pedophiles? Their love is no weaker than the love between two consenting adults.

    It's a slippery slope, Chloe.

    Should a man be allowed to marry a child? An animal?

    They're just different from you and me!!! Why can't you accept them?

    That's why I draw the line at allowing gays to marry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrassrootsConservative View Post
    What about pedophiles? Their love is no weaker than the love between two consenting adults.

    It's a slippery slope, Chloe.

    Should a man be allowed to marry a child? An animal?

    They're just different from you and me!!! Why can't you accept them?

    That's why I draw the line at allowing gays to marry.
    So you're objection is not about gay marriage then, you are in favor of gay marriage, it's just you are protecting gay people by not allowing them to marry because of the slippery slope that other people might want to marry an animal or child. So basically gay people are just taking one for the team so that the truly bad things can't get married???

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