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[FindersKeepers]

The question: "France, Sweden, Germany, with a lower percentage of Muslims have more problems. Any opinions on why?"


It's right in the OP.

More problems than Haifa.

Are you saying that in France, Sweden and Germany, Muslims are treated as if they live in a ghetto? And, not integrated?

That's just odd.

[Mister D]

Progressive lunatics try to explain away the damage their policies cause by blaming...you guessed it! White racism. They are hardly worthy of a hearing at this point, FK.

[Tahuyaman]

Holy sh!t. I was answering the question asked in the OP. You know, the thing that ends in a question mark.

Evidently you didn't read the link provided.

[decedent]

More problems than Haifa.

Are you saying that in France, Sweden and Germany, Muslims are treated as if they live in a ghetto? And, not integrated?

That's just odd.

It would be odd, but that's not really what I wrote.

The literal ghettos I referred to are the charmingly-named "immigration neighborhoods," which are essentially ghettos. Ghettos of any kind are breeding grounds for civil unrest.

The figurative ghettos I referred to are the willful cloistering that immigrants do because of fear, language barriers, etc.

I've lived in Haifa for months. I've seen the integration. Muslims are free to practice their religion without restrictions, just as Jews are. They're treated almost exactly the same except when it comes to mandatory military service, where Muslims aren't forced to enlist (but some do voluntarily). There are even Muslim political parties. There's been a long-lasting mutual respect between Jews and Muslims in the area going back hundreds of years. There's a Mosque (Dome of the Rock) in the center of Jerusalem that's been there for over 1500 years.

There is slight clustering within cities, but that's largely due to language barriers (many Muslims in Israel speak Arabic), but in the workplace, there's a lot of integration. The only noticeable tension is between Muslims of Palestinian roots and Jews. Palestinians also have their own dialect of Arabic that is noticeable.

Meanwhile, in Europe, there is far less integration. "Immigration neighborhoods" like Slotervaart in Amsterdam, Tingbjerg in Copenhagen, and Kreuzberg in Berlin are examples of what not to do. The government confines immigrants to these dilapidated areas. Not surprisingly, there's riots, and street fighting on a regular basis. They aren't "no go zones" because Westerners aren't allowed; they're "no go zones" because nobody wants to go there due to crime.

Immigration must be all or nothing. Either immigrants are settled into regular communities or they aren't accepted at all. Ghettoizing doesn't work.

[decedent]

Evidently you didn't read the link provided.

Evidently, you didn't read a thing in this thread, or the link provided, which is reflected by your substance-free contributions to this thread.

[Peter1469]

It would be odd, but that's not really what I wrote.

The literal ghettos I referred to are the charmingly-named "immigration neighborhoods," which are essentially ghettos. Ghettos of any kind are breeding grounds for civil unrest.

The figurative ghettos I referred to are the willful cloistering that immigrants do because of fear, language barriers, etc.

I've lived in Haifa for months. I've seen the integration. Muslims are free to practice their religion without restrictions, just as Jews are. They're treated almost exactly the same except when it comes to mandatory military service, where Muslims aren't forced to enlist (but some do voluntarily). There are even Muslim political parties. There's been a long-lasting mutual respect between Jews and Muslims in the area going back hundreds of years. There's a Mosque (Dome of the Rock) in the center of Jerusalem that's been there for over 1500 years.

There is slight clustering within cities, but that's largely due to language barriers (many Muslims in Israel speak Arabic), but in the workplace, there's a lot of integration. The only noticeable tension is between Muslims of Palestinian roots and Jews. Palestinians also have their own dialect of Arabic that is noticeable.

Meanwhile, in Europe, there is far less integration. "Immigration neighborhoods" like Slotervaart in Amsterdam, Tingbjerg in Copenhagen, and Kreuzberg in Berlin are examples of what not to do. The government confines immigrants to these dilapidated areas. Not surprisingly, there's riots, and street fighting on a regular basis. They aren't "no go zones" because Westerners aren't allowed; they're "no go zones" because nobody wants to go there due to crime.

Immigration must be all or nothing. Either immigrants are settled into regular communities or they aren't accepted at all. Ghettoizing doesn't work.

And that is a two way street. Ex-President Sarkosy of France once said all are welcome to come live in France, but only if they want to be French.