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    Third tPF Town Hall: 4/22-4/23

    It's that time again! Tomorrow we'll be starting the third tPF Town Hall, so get your questions, comments, concerns, suggestions, and general gripes ready. This Town Hall will be different from the previous two, as this time it will be run entirely by the VIPs with myself (4/22) and @Peter1469 (4/23) serving as your representatives to the VIPs. Moderators will serve only as the name suggests, and moderate the thread where needed.

    Keep in mind as you prepare what you want to say, that questions/etc. toward moderators should be addressed to moderators. The VIPs will discuss all questions/etc. before providing a response.
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    Alright, some basic ground rules before we get started:

    Any moderation-related comments should be kept general (not specific) in this thread, though we'd prefer you just PM or report your comments to the mods as this is specifically a VIP affair.

    Discussion should follow forum rules. No insults or anything like that. Keep it civil.
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    Using the PM function should help as well. Remember the team will need time to discuss the questions and issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Alright, some basic ground rules before we get started:

    Any moderation-related comments should be kept general (not specific) in this thread, though we'd prefer you just PM or report your comments to the mods as this is specifically a VIP affair.

    Discussion should follow forum rules. No insults or anything like that. Keep it civil.
    What good is it if you can't discuss moderation in the open? That is the single biggest issue on this board.

    I suggested the VIP run town hall because supposedly the VIPs are the ones who make the policy decisions here. If you can't even discuss moderation, why bother?
    Last edited by Cletus; 04-22-2017 at 12:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    What good is it if you can't discuss moderation in the open? That is the single biggest issue on this board.

    I suggested the VIP run town hall because supposedly the VIPs are the ones who make the policy decisions here. If you can't even discuss moderation, you are useless.
    Generalized comments are allowed. For example:

    Do not: "Adelaide is such a $#@! because she warned me for X while member A gets away with murder here in this thread [link]." Too specific, attacking a mod and a member, and disputing a specific mod action.

    Sure: I think we need to deal more with trolls. Or, suggest a rule or a change in the rules or whatever. General stuff.

    If you have specific complaints, you need to use the PM function or report function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    What good is it if you can't discuss moderation in the open? That is the single biggest issue on this board.

    I suggested the VIP run town hall because supposedly the VIPs are the ones who make the policy decisions here. If you can't even discuss moderation, why bother?
    I assume Green Arrow means specific gripes about a mod should be in PM. Discussion of policy ought to be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    What good is it if you can't discuss moderation in the open? That is the single biggest issue on this board.

    I suggested the VIP run town hall because supposedly the VIPs are the ones who make the policy decisions here. If you can't even discuss moderation, why bother?
    @Cletus, you can discuss moderation in a general sense ("I think moderation is too strict/lenient/etc.," or "We need harsher penalties on trolls," or "This rule should be clarified/rewritten/eliminated"), but anything about specific moderators or moderator actions need to be directed to the mods themselves in PM or Reports. VIPs have no control over specific mods or mod actions so there's nothing substantive we can say or do about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaide View Post
    Generalized comments are allowed. For example:

    Do not: "Adelaide is such a $#@! because she warned me for X while member A gets away with murder here in this thread [link]." Too specific, attacking a mod and a member, and disputing a specific mod action.

    Sure: I think we need to deal more with trolls. Or, suggest a rule or a change in the rules or whatever. General stuff.

    If you have specific complaints, you need to use the PM function or report function.

    We went through that before and it was shut down. The discussion was about moderation and moderation policy and the mods shut it down. When I suggested the VIP run town hall to discuss moderation policy and moderation in general, I was told the VIPs would not be permitted to discuss that in their meeting because all matters concerning moderation were for the mods alone to discuss and act upon.

    Another thing... if there is a specific moderation problem, member SHOULD be able to discuss in a format such as this. I am not talking about moderator bashing, I am talking about citing specific examples of moderation that made no sense or seemed completely arbitrary and sometimes, in violation of forum rules or actions taken when no violation of forum rules occurred. This business of the moderators policing themselves and being answerable to no one but themselves isn't working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    @Cletus, you can discuss moderation in a general sense ("I think moderation is too strict/lenient/etc.," or "We need harsher penalties on trolls," or "This rule should be clarified/rewritten/eliminated"), but anything about specific moderators or moderator actions need to be directed to the mods themselves in PM or Reports. VIPs have no control over specific mods or mod actions so there's nothing substantive we can say or do about it.
    Well, if this place is really "member run", maybe whoever actually sets policy should set up something like a Moderator Oversight Board, run by the VIPs, which could review contested moderator decisions and actions and do so outside of moderator influence.

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