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    Thumbs up Chinese oppression of Tibet

    Granny says China violatin' dem Tibetans human rights...

    UN Rights Official Faults China on Tibetan Suppression
    November 2, 2012 — The top human rights official of the United Nations took China to task on Friday over the suppression of Tibetans’ rights that she said had driven them to “desperate forms of protest,” referring to about 60 self-immolations by Tibetans protesting Chinese rule that have been reported since March 2011, including seven since mid-October.
    The official, Navi Pillay, the high commissioner for human rights, said in a statement that she was disturbed by reports of detentions, disappearances and the excessive use of force against peaceful demonstrators, as well as curbs on Tibetans’ cultural rights. Ms. Pillay said “serious concerns” had been raised over the claims of torture and ill-treatment of detainees and about the standards of their trials. Ms. Pillay said she had had “several exchanges” with the Chinese government on the issue, and her rare public criticism of China’s conduct on human rights appeared to reflect a measure of frustration. “We felt the time had come to talk publicly about that,” a spokesman for Ms. Pillay, Rupert Colville, said Friday in Geneva. Self-immolations are evidence of how serious the situation in Tibet has become, Mr. Colville said, and “we don’t see any visible signs of progress.”

    In the statement, Ms. Pillay said, “More needs to be done to protect human rights and prevent violations,” urging China to release Tibetans who had been detained merely for exercising fundamental rights like freedom of expression, association and religion. “Social stability in Tibet will never be achieved through heavy security measures and suppression of human rights,” she said. As examples of that suppression, Ms. Pillay cited the case of a 17-year-old girl who was reported to have been severely beaten and sentenced to three years in prison for distributing fliers that called for freedom for Tibet and the return of the Dalai Lama. She said others had been sentenced to jail terms of four to seven years for writing essays, making films or circulating outside China photographs of events in Tibet.

    Ms. Pillay said she recognized the “intense sense of frustration and despair” that had driven Tibetans to such extreme actions, but she appealed to them to seek other ways of expressing their feelings and urged China to allow them to express their feelings “without fear of retribution.” She said that China had pledged to step up cooperation with the United Nations on human rights, but she said there were 12 outstanding requests to visit China by United Nations special investigators on various human rights-related issues and called on China to facilitate access.

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    A. this would only make sense if those things are happening more to Tibetan than none Tibetan Chinese, which seems questionable. as most would agree that most of those stuff described happens in Han Chinese protest as well.

    B. PUBLIC eductation up to age 15 in Tibet is primarily conducted in Tibetan, that is already more than most country can say in terms of cultural respect for minority.

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    Self-immolation has a peculiar fascination for westerners. I suspect that is one of several aspects of the situation in Tibet that draws global and particularly western attention. I am no fan of the Chinese government and I think internal dissent is a good thing in so far as it is a thorn in their side. That said, it reminds me of Vietnam and how little Americans understood about the motives of the Buddhist leaders (a minority) who encouraged the protests in the early 1960s.
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    FWIW, there are actually a number of self immolation cases in Beijing over the last few decades as well, most well known are Falun Gong but actually each year thousands if not tens of thousands go to Beijing to try an plea / protest to the central government on particular issues at home.

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    Falun Gong members have done this? I didn't know that. Interesting. I guess people are thinking that if someone does that then not only are they sincere but their cause must be just as well. That's not necessarily true. It's a naive perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollingWave View Post
    A. this would only make sense if those things are happening more to Tibetan than none Tibetan Chinese, which seems questionable. as most would agree that most of those stuff described happens in Han Chinese protest as well.

    B. PUBLIC eductation up to age 15 in Tibet is primarily conducted in Tibetan, that is already more than most country can say in terms of cultural respect for minority.
    If you have any doubt about oppression in Tibet, Google the Dali Lama.....

    He cannot return to his own country as there are arrest warrants out for him....


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    I have no doubt about repression in Tibet, I have doubt that they are repressing them more than they are repressing their non-tibetan population, I.E that their other Noble Peace Prize winner, a Han Chinese, IS locked up in jail.

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    Rangzen for Tibet...

    Tibetans call for independence
    Sat, Nov 10, 2012 - FIRM BELIEF: The Tibetan Youth Congress yesterday said no matter how mighty China has become, it could not stop Tibetans dying while fighting for their freedom
    Although head of the Tibetan government-in-exile Lobsang Sangay repeatedly said that his administration would not challenge China’s sovereignty over Tibet amid a rising number of self-immolations by Tibetans, Tibetan Youth Congress (TYC) secretary-general Tenzin Norsang reaffirmed the group’s stance that only independence would be a solution to the issue. Since 2009, as many as 70 Tibetans have set themselves aflame — one in exile and 69 living on the Tibetan Plateau — to protest against the Chinese occupation of Tibet and calling for independence, religious freedom and the return of the Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama. The latest of these cases took place on Thursday as the 18th Chinese Communist Party Congress opened in Beijing. “I would like to say that no matter how mighty you [China] are, you are powerless, you are powerless to stop the Tibetans’ struggle for freedom and you are powerless to stop the self-immolations for the cause of Tibetan independence,” Tenzin Norsang told a news conference in Taipei yesterday.

    Tenzin Norsang is in Taiwan for a two-day Rangzen Conference in Taiwan organized by the TYC, scheduled to start today. The Rangzen Conference in Taiwan is being held to prepare for next year’s International Rangzen Conference to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the Declaration of Tibetan Independence by the 13th Dalai Lama in 1913. Rangzen is the Tibetan word for “independence.” A short video showing clips of self-immolations, shot with hidden cameras or cellphones, was shown during the press conference. China has accused the Dalai Lama and exiled Tibetans of being behind the self-immolations, and labeled Tibetans who set themselves alight as “terrorists,” “thieves,” “insane” and “disenchanted spouses,” but Tenzin Norsang denied these accusations. He said that all the Tibetans who have self-immolated were self-inspired and he holds the Chinese Communist Party responsible for what happens in Tibet. He added that only independence for Tibet could end such tragedies and the suffering of Tibetans.

    Regional Tibetan Youth Congress Taiwan president Tenzin Chompel expressed his worries about seeking peace through talks with China. “The TYC supports independence for Tibet and we insist that only restoration of Tibet’s independence could protect our freedom,” Tenzin Chompel said. “Negotiations with China are no use, because negotiations or agreements are China’s means of deception. Just look at what happened to the 17 Point Agreement — we Tibetans would not be fooled by China again,” he added.

    The 17 Point Agreement refers to an agreement signed between China and Tibet after China invaded Tibet in the 1950s, in which the Chinese government promised to grant Tibetans a high degree of autonomy, while also protecting the Tibetan religion, language and culture. Later in the evening, about 70 supporters — Taiwanese and Tibetans alike — of the Tibetan cause lay down in Liberty Square in Taipei, covering themselves with Tibetan national flags to remember those who have self-immolated. The act was followed by a candlelit vigil and a prayer session for those who have sacrificed themselves for the Tibetan cause.

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    Chinese ‘volunteers’ roped into security crackdown
    Sun, Nov 11, 2012 - VIGILANT: Although groups say petitioners are being detained during the CCP’s congress, none of the ‘volunteers’ have seen anything worth reporting
    The Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) paranoia is on full display for its congress in Beijing in a security squeeze extending from police swarming Tiananmen Square to elderly sentinels watching street corners. The capital has 1.4 million “public order volunteers” — retirees, street cleaners, firemen and low-paid private security guards — on the lookout for anything that could upset the sensitive gathering, even in the quietest residential neighborhoods.

    However, despite their patriotic armbands, many grumble about being roped in as foot soldiers for China’s massive police state. “Volunteer? They made me volunteer,” said Zhang Weilin, 25, a security guard at a central Beijing shopping mall who wore a camouflage jacket bearing a “US Army Airborne” patch and that was a size or two too large. “My security company gave us the uniforms and made all of us [other security guards] volunteer during the congress,” he said.

    Increasingly worried about rising social unrest and acutely aware of public unhappiness over a lack of democracy, Chinese authorities have dramatically escalated the state security apparatus under Chinese President Hu Jintao. At the end of the congress next week, Hu is widely expected to hand leadership of the party to Chinese Vice President Xi Jinping after 10 years in power. Under Hu, security budgets have exploded — US$111 billion was allocated last year for “stability maintenance,” exceeding China’s stated defense budget.

    Authorities frequently buttress security by tasking ordinary citizens with maintaining order in their patch and reporting potential threats, particularly during important events such as the congress. “If we see anything out of the ordinary, like a petitioner trying to protest, we report immediately to the neighborhood committee, who call the police,” said retired teacher Huo Huihua, watching a Beijing street corner.

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