User Tag List

+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 10 of 10

Thread: A return-free tax filing system

  1. #1
    Original Ranter
    Points: 862,885, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.9%
    Achievements:
    SocialCreated Album picturesOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Peter1469's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    497359
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    242,667
    Points
    862,885
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    153,621
    Thanked 148,369x in 94,864 Posts
    Mentioned
    2554 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    A return-free tax filing system

    A return-free tax filing system

    This is an interesting and simple idea. The IRS has most if not all information that we use to file our taxes (for most Americans). So why do we have to file them?

    Right now, Americans prepare their tax returns themselves. But when most Americans fill out their wages and dividends and mortgage payments and all the rest on their tax forms, they're not telling the government anything it doesn't already know. So once Americans have filed their returns, the government checks their work against its own calculations, and decides whether it agrees. If the government doesn't agree, taxpayers then choose whether to fight it.




    In other words, filling out your own tax return is often an entirely superfluous step. That's why plenty of other countries — Japan, Israel, the Netherlands, Britain, Peru, Sweden, Spain, etc. — don't include it in the process. The government just cuts to the chase: It prepares everyone's tax returns itself, sends them out, and then taxpayers check the returns for errors.


    It's called a "return-free filing" system.


    T.R. Reid recently described how this system works for his friend Michael, "a Dutch executive with a six-figure income, a range of investments, and all the economic complications that come with an upper-bracket lifestyle."


    An American in the same situation would have to fill out a dozen forms, six pages long. Michael, by contrast, sets aside 15 minutes per year to file his federal and local income tax, and that's usually enough. But sometimes, he told me, he decides to check the figures the government has already filled in on his return. At this point, Michael was getting downright indignant. "I mean, some years, it takes me half an hour just to file my taxes!" [T.R. Reid, The New York Times]
    ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ


  2. The Following User Says Thank You to Peter1469 For This Useful Post:

    FindersKeepers (04-27-2017)

  3. #2
    Points: 667,551, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 97.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassYour first GroupOverdrive50000 Experience PointsTagger First ClassVeteran
    Awards:
    Discussion Ender
    Chris's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    433802
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    198,047
    Points
    667,551
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    32,173
    Thanked 81,391x in 54,973 Posts
    Mentioned
    2013 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)
    It's certainly true you're not telling them anything they don't know for most of the major things, wages, interest, other earnings. It's also true I don't trust the IRS.

  4. The Following User Says Thank You to Chris For This Useful Post:

    FindersKeepers (04-27-2017)

  5. #3
    Original Ranter
    Points: 862,885, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.9%
    Achievements:
    SocialCreated Album picturesOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Peter1469's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    497359
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    242,667
    Points
    862,885
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    153,621
    Thanked 148,369x in 94,864 Posts
    Mentioned
    2554 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    It's certainly true you're not telling them anything they don't know for most of the major things, wages, interest, other earnings. It's also true I don't trust the IRS.
    Does preparing your taxes yourself help in that regard?
    ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ


  6. #4
    Original Ranter
    Points: 862,885, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.9%
    Achievements:
    SocialCreated Album picturesOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Peter1469's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    497359
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    242,667
    Points
    862,885
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    153,621
    Thanked 148,369x in 94,864 Posts
    Mentioned
    2554 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I admit that I would be hesitant to take their word for it when my tax statement came in. And if I re-created the wheel, then I am no better off than now.

    I suspect most wouldn't challenge it unless they owed a lot.

    It does require a trust of government, so I see your point.
    ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ


  7. #5
    Points: 667,551, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 97.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassYour first GroupOverdrive50000 Experience PointsTagger First ClassVeteran
    Awards:
    Discussion Ender
    Chris's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    433802
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    198,047
    Points
    667,551
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    32,173
    Thanked 81,391x in 54,973 Posts
    Mentioned
    2013 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Does preparing your taxes yourself help in that regard?
    Somewhat, it only takes a short time and I tell them what I owe or they owe me, and they can double check.

  8. #6
    Points: 667,551, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 97.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassYour first GroupOverdrive50000 Experience PointsTagger First ClassVeteran
    Awards:
    Discussion Ender
    Chris's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    433802
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    198,047
    Points
    667,551
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    32,173
    Thanked 81,391x in 54,973 Posts
    Mentioned
    2013 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)
    Now if I could go to the IRS Web site, log in, and see the proper form filled out, and I'm allowed to change some options, so I can check their work, maybe.

  9. #7
    Points: 124,894, Level: 85
    Level completed: 64%, Points required for next Level: 1,156
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Social50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Crepitus's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    1255215
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Location
    Wichita, KS
    Posts
    41,416
    Points
    124,894
    Level
    85
    Thanks Given
    17,385
    Thanked 13,440x in 9,812 Posts
    Mentioned
    510 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Where are all the tax preparers gonna work? Gonna end a whole industry.
    People who think a movie about plastic dolls is trying to turn their kids gay or trans are now officially known as

    Barbie Q’s

  10. #8
    Original Ranter
    Points: 862,885, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.9%
    Achievements:
    SocialCreated Album picturesOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Peter1469's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    497359
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    242,667
    Points
    862,885
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    153,621
    Thanked 148,369x in 94,864 Posts
    Mentioned
    2554 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Now if I could go to the IRS Web site, log in, and see the proper form filled out, and I'm allowed to change some options, so I can check their work, maybe.
    That would be ideal.
    ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ


  11. #9
    Original Ranter
    Points: 862,885, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.9%
    Achievements:
    SocialCreated Album picturesOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Peter1469's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    497359
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    242,667
    Points
    862,885
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    153,621
    Thanked 148,369x in 94,864 Posts
    Mentioned
    2554 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Where are all the tax preparers gonna work? Gonna end a whole industry.

    Software writers likely.
    ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ


  12. The Following User Says Thank You to Peter1469 For This Useful Post:

    Crepitus (04-27-2017)

  13. #10
    Points: 667,551, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 97.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassYour first GroupOverdrive50000 Experience PointsTagger First ClassVeteran
    Awards:
    Discussion Ender
    Chris's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    433802
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    198,047
    Points
    667,551
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    32,173
    Thanked 81,391x in 54,973 Posts
    Mentioned
    2013 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Where are all the tax preparers gonna work? Gonna end a whole industry.
    They can pick fruit after the wall goes up.

  14. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Chris For This Useful Post:

    MisterVeritis (04-27-2017),Peter1469 (04-27-2017)

+ Reply to Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts