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    Chinese Defense Budget Raised by Almost 12%, Now Topping 100 B

    China's official defence spending will rise by 11.2% in 2012, pushing it above $100bn (£65bn) for the first time, the government has announced.

    Beijing's defence budget has risen each year for two decades to become the world's second-biggest, behind the US.

    It is developing an aircraft carrier, a stealth fighter jet, and missiles that can shoot down satellites.

    The US promised to bolster its presence in the region last year, in a move seen as countering China's dominance.

    Washington, which spends about $740bn on defence each year, already has bases housing thousands of American troops across the region.

    The BBC's Martin Patience in Beijing says Chinese officials remain wary about growing American influence in the region, and believe Washington wants to encircle China.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-17249476

    That's almost as much as the UK and Russia combined.

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    Why should the US press China in that region of the world? China cannot threaten the US (other than with nukes). China cannot project force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Why should the US press China in that region of the world? China cannot threaten the US (other than with nukes). China cannot project force.
    They can't project force but they're working on it. I wonder if they get more bang for their buck so to speak than we do. We are spending roughly 7x their budget I believe.

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    Projection of force is always relative, if the US completely pulls out I'd think they would be much more likely to be able to project, at least depending on how they want to do it. And probably a even scarier thought is that if the US completely pulls out Japan will almost surely go Nuclear and reestablish it's army, that's going to go down reallllll well for it's neighbors

    As for China's defense budget, it's within their soverign rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollingWave View Post
    Projection of force is always relative, if the US completely pulls out I'd think they would be much more likely to be able to project, at least depending on how they want to do it. And probably a even scarier thought is that if the US completely pulls out Japan will almost surely go Nuclear and reestablish it's army, that's going to go down reallllll well for it's neighbors

    As for China's defense budget, it's within their soverign rights.
    You really think that Japan will go nuclear if the US pulls out?

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    Going Nuclear or not is debatable and really depend on rather the Americans are going to let them, rebuilding their army navy? definately.

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    What choice would Japan have in that situation? In any case, their pacifist ethos could only be temporary one. Could that be expected to continue indefinitely? I don't think so. That said, I doubt the specter of a rearmed Japan will outweigh the threat of a bellicose China in the east Asian imagination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    What choice would Japan have in that situation? In any case, their pacifist ethos could only be temporary one. Could that be expected to continue indefinitely? I don't think so. That said, I doubt the specter of a rearmed Japan will outweigh the threat of a bellicose China in the east Asian imagination.
    Of course, but it would probably further justify the PRC's push to up their defense budget even faster. at this point it's going up relatively in accordance with their actual GDP growth. that could change if they see that they're odds of projecting power both become more likely and a demon from the past is also rearming itself which should give further political justification to do so. China isn't a democracy, but the PRC have plenty of internal checks and balances, and in reality despite the talks the hawks within the PRC have not been winning in the last few decades, here's hoping that they don't get reasons to win in the future

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollingWave View Post
    Of course, but it would probably further justify the PRC's push to up their defense budget even faster. at this point it's going up relatively in accordance with their actual GDP growth. that could change if they see that they're odds of projecting power both become more likely and a demon from the past is also rearming itself which should give further political justification to do so. China isn't a democracy, but the PRC have plenty of internal checks and balances, and in reality despite the talks the hawks within the PRC have not been winning in the last few decades, here's hoping that they don't get reasons to win in the future
    I think if China wanted they could justify raising their defense budget up even faster by using the U.S. as a justification. I expect their defense budget to continue to rise independent of GDP which I believe is slowing down in terms of growth rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollingWave View Post
    Of course, but it would probably further justify the PRC's push to up their defense budget even faster. at this point it's going up relatively in accordance with their actual GDP growth. that could change if they see that they're odds of projecting power both become more likely and a demon from the past is also rearming itself which should give further political justification to do so. China isn't a democracy, but the PRC have plenty of internal checks and balances, and in reality despite the talks the hawks within the PRC have not been winning in the last few decades, here's hoping that they don't get reasons to win in the future
    The PRC will justify their military buildup regardless. They are all hawks. It's a matter of degree. On the one hand, you have a Chinese military buildup and a perception by her neighbors that she aspires to the status of east Asian hegemon. On the other hand, China's neighbors can rely on a US presence to maintain a balance. Clearly, China's neighbors are less wary of the US than they are of the PRC's pretensions. Assuming a US strategic departure what is Japan, for example, supposed to do?
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