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    Killing C.I.A. Informants, China Crippled U.S. Spying Operations

    Killing C.I.A. Informants, China Crippled U.S. Spying Operations

    Looks like the Chinese took out our human intel assets in China.

    The Chinese government systematically dismantled C.I.A. spying operations in the country starting in 2010, killing or imprisoning more than a dozen sources over two years and crippling intelligence gathering there for years afterward.

    Current and former American officials described the intelligence breach as one of the worst in decades. It set off a scramble in Washington’s intelligence and law enforcement agencies to contain the fallout, but investigators were bitterly divided over the cause. Some were convinced that a mole within the C.I.A. had betrayed the United States. Others believed that the Chinese had hacked the covert system the C.I.A. used to communicate with its foreign sources. Years later, that debate remains unresolved.


    But there was no disagreement about the damage. From the final weeks of 2010 through the end of 2012, according to former American officials, the Chinese killed at least a dozen of the C.I.A.’s sources. According to three of the officials, one was shot in front of his colleagues in the courtyard of a government building — a message to others who might have been working for the C.I.A.


    Still others were put in jail. All told, the Chinese killed or imprisoned 18 to 20 of the C.I.A.’s sources in China, according to two former senior American officials, effectively unraveling a network that had taken years to build.
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    Crooked Hillary was SECSTATE 2009-2013.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Killing C.I.A. Informants, China Crippled U.S. Spying Operations

    Looks like the Chinese took out our human intel assets in China.

    Spying is dangerous. Put their names online and then wonder what happened? Tell me what is China doing that we don't already know about that could me this important? Probably nothing?

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    I imagine we are interested in getting the inside scoop about what the Chinese are doing in all sorts of matters.

    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Spying is dangerous. Put their names online and then wonder what happened? Tell me what is China doing that we don't already know about that could me this important? Probably nothing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Spying is dangerous. Put their names online and then wonder what happened? Tell me what is China doing that we don't already know about that could me this important? Probably nothing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Spying is dangerous. Put their names online and then wonder what happened? Tell me what is China doing that we don't already know about that could me this important? Probably nothing?
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    Granny wantin' to know...

    ... how dey findin' out...

    ... who's tellin' `em?

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    Question: What has all this spying accomplished? Without all of this would the Chinesse have invaded us? Or we them? Extremely doubtful. Would they have dumped cheap products on our markets damaging our manufacturing industry . Oh wait they did all that WHILE we were spying.
    But how would we know where their troops and ships were without espionage ? Oh yeah, sattelites and radar and such stuff.
    I know , I know the answer to the questions : What has all this spying accomplished ? And Is it worth it? Is of course , well that's top secret!
    But can anyone even throw out something our spying or theirs may have averted in recent years that was worth it? Or any "terrible action " that China took against us when our spy ring was "crippled"? Theorectically , if the spying was worth it something really bad should of happened when our spy capability was diminished , right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Question: What has all this spying accomplished? Without all of this would the Chinesse have invaded us? Or we them? Extremely doubtful. Would they have dumped cheap products on our markets damaging our manufacturing industry . Oh wait they did all that WHILE we were spying.
    But how would we know where their troops and ships were without espionage ? Oh yeah, sattelites and radar and such stuff.
    I know , I know the answer to the questions : What has all this spying accomplished ? And Is it worth it? Is of course , well that's top secret!
    But can anyone even throw out something our spying or theirs may have averted in recent years that was worth it? Or any "terrible action " that China took against us when our spy ring was "crippled"? Theorectically , if the spying was worth it something really bad should of happened when our spy capability was diminished , right?
    Knowing what the enemy intends can help shape our policies appropriately assuming one has a leader advancing the nation's goals. The Obama regime shows us that one cannot advance an American agenda if an anti-American is in charge.

    Good intelligence including tactical intelligence (things like knowing where troops and ships are) helps us win battles. It can help us shorten wars.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
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    Lets fix our own problems first. Our whole nation practices the avoidance mechanism of "deflection"

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