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    Quote Originally Posted by Newpublius View Post
    No
    No we cannot trust the numbers the government gives us? I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The various Congressional intel committees get to see the budget request and approve make changes.

    Not very comforting. Sounds like a playground for graft and perhaps "seymour" to feed the military industrial complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    I have the impression you don't know much about budgets and oversight.
    I have the impression you grossly misuse the word "oversight"

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    For example spying on everyone must be expensive . So before we knew about the NSA's activities how were they budgeted for and how could we ever know where the money really went? How many things is the government and military currently spending money on that we don't know about ? What about unbudgeted "unoffical" foreign operations? How are such funds budgeted? How can we ever be sure the money is being spent for it's intened purpose, when we aren't allowed to know the intended purpose?
    The abuse potential here is enormous ! Both when the funds are used for their top secret purposes ( like secretly spying on us) or simply embezzeled. The more operations are duped " top secret" the less we really know about how our money is spent and whether it ever even reaches it's "earmaked" purpose, whether said purpose is even necessary or even Constitutional.
    We often talk of budgets, deficits and debt. But how can we possibly trust the numbers we are given on these subjects?
    Couple of prominent issues are making it impossible to fire or layoff anyone. Unless you are in the service then they will not renew your active duty status. Obama laid off a ton of service men and women. The second big issue is the must spend or lose it rule. If you have money left over its a bad thing?

    The government needs an overhaul. Why do you think the dems and republicans really hated the idea of a Trump type person exposing everything?
    I am tired of everyone fighting with each other. This is all by design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    And you don't see our corrupt government exploiting that? You trust our congress that much? Sounds like a set up for a scam central to me
    I just shake my head.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    I have the impression you grossly misuse the word "oversight"
    I have the impression you don't know what you are talking about.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Not very comforting. Sounds like a playground for graft and perhaps "seymour" to feed the military industrial complex.
    The Congress should vet the numbers with you prior to a vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texan View Post
    Couple of prominent issues are making it impossible to fire or layoff anyone. Unless you are in the service then they will not renew your active duty status. Obama laid off a ton of service men and women. The second big issue is the must spend or lose it rule. If you have money left over its a bad thing?

    The government needs an overhaul. Why do you think the dems and republicans really hated the idea of a Trump type person exposing everything?
    I definitely agree about the "spend or lose it rule" . Nothing could be worse for government budgets even if a manager wants to be frugal. You'd never see that rule in the private sector.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    And you don't see our corrupt government exploiting that? You trust our congress that much? Sounds like a set up for a scam central to me
    I think P.J' O'Rourke once said something like, "trusting the government with your money is like trusting your sixteen year old son with your car keys and wallet full of credit cards."
    Government is force by definition and corruption by nature. The Bigger the government the greater the force and the greater the corruption.

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