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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    So?
    Here, listen to or read the notes to this: Rodden on the Geography of Voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    So?
    We have a republic- that protects minority rights.

    A democracy is worse than a tyranny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    We have a republic- that protects minority rights.

    A democracy is worse than a tyranny.
    Great. How?

    In terms of the EC. I keep hearing a lot of textbook stuff, but haven't gotten any practical examples yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Thought I did, the electoral college give states a modicum of power over a populist, nationalist vote.

    I don't see it as political one way or another. According to this, Electoral College vs. popular vote splits, it has favored Reps over Dems:

    Remember, I'm the guy sees no difference between the duopolistic parties.

    To me it's simply a matter of where power resides, in the states, a federalist system, as it was designed, or the central government, a federal system, which changing it from electoral to popular wound nudge us toward.
    Bump, three practical examples. Bush pushed us liberally away from federalism and toward bigger federal government but probably not as much as Gore would have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    Great. How?

    In terms of the EC. I keep hearing a lot of textbook stuff, but haven't gotten any practical examples yet.
    Think of it as checks and balances - to protect little states from small states; rural communities from cities.

    You never heard of this before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Think of it as checks and balances - to protect little states from small states; rural communities from cities.

    You never heard of this before?
    Yes, of course.

    What I haven't heard yet so far is a real-time example.

    I get the textbook definition. Comprende. Now tell me in practical terms how it works.
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    They should divvy up the electoral votes...

    ... in every state...

    ... like they do in Maine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    Yes, of course.

    What I haven't heard yet so far is a real-time example.

    I get the textbook definition. Comprende. Now tell me in practical terms how it works.
    I don't get your disdain for "textbook". By definition eliminating the electoral college would undermine states rights and strengthen majoritarian rule. And I gave you three examples where the outcome would've been different and changed the course of history. Of course since it hasn't happened we have no data, but even if it did then there'd be no counterfactuals to compare with either, unless you want to conduct an experiment in quantum physics, kill the cat and not kill it at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltky View Post
    They should divvy up the electoral votes...

    ... in every state...

    ... like they do in Maine.
    Two states do that. I would be OK with that.

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