A single-payer system

[kilgram]

It also pushes all the cost on taxpayers.

Insurance is risky business. You can't regulate risk away.

Is that a problem?

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[Common Sense]

socialized medicine...........under government control.......pure socialism. That's what you embrace. total obedience to whoever is in office and controls those purse strings.....great. another socialist thug

That's hyperbolic nonsense.

The provinces replace the primary insurer in Canada. Hospitals are independent corporations. Insurers in Canada cover additional services like private rooms, dental care and prescriptions.

Most people who rant on nonsensically about single payer do so because of their ignorance.

[Chris]

Is that a problem?

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Cost. To everyone. If I purchase insurance against some accident or emergency or prohibitively costly operation, then the insurance company pays out. Single payer means taxpayers pay for it even if they don't need or want it.

[Chris]

No, that is not the reason. The reason is your "free market" and having everything private.

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Sorry, but that is the case and it is forced on us by our government handing out crony corrupt favors to the highest bidding lobbyists.

[Common Sense]

You think healthcare costs are double the cost of living because of (minority share) commercial insurance margins?

And you expect people to take your single payer argument credibly?

Sorry, you have no idea what you're arguing, not even clise.

Insurance margins are a huge portion. Malpractice insurance due to $#@!ed up tort laws are another contributor.

Insurance companies have been recording record profits. While their margins are only 5-7%, their profits are in the billions.

Add to that the fact that the majority of bankruptcies are due to medical bills and it doesn't paint a pretty picture.

[Common Sense]

Cost. To everyone. If I purchase insurance against some accident or emergency or prohibitively costly operation, then the insurance company pays out. Single payer means taxpayers pay for it even if they don't need or want it.

Cost to everyone is how police, fire departments, roads, bridges, the military, parks, R&D and a host of other things are handled...but people's health is less important?

The idea that "$#@! you...you do you and I'll do me" with regards to healthcare, is just so foreign to me. This isn't plastic surgery we're talking about. It's people's health. Not to mention the huge economic impact it has on the economy.

[Chris]

Cost to everyone is how police, fire departments, roads, bridges, the military, parks, R&D and a host of other things are handled...but people's health is less important?

The idea that "$#@! you...you do you and I'll do me" with regards to healthcare, is just so foreign to me. This isn't plastic surgery we're talking about. It's people's health. Not to mention the huge economic impact it has on the economy.

Everyone shares in those benefits, I don't share in your health care. That's the distinction, not whether health is important. That's a poor assumption to make that I don't care but it has, I suppose, an emotional apeal to make me look evil.

It is because health is important that I advocate free market based health care and insurance.

[Common Sense]

Everyone shares in those benefits, I don't share in your health care. That's the distinction, not whether health is important. That's a poor assumption to make that I don't care but it has, I suppose, an emotional apeal to make me look evil.

It is because health is important that I advocate free market based health care and insurance.

You actually do share in the benefit of others health. Poor health is a huge drag on the economy, as is the bankruptcies associated with medical bills.

It may be an appeal to emotion, but the reality is, that's what many are essentially saying.

The free market doesn't work, nor does it cover everyone. That's a fantasy. That's why every other modern nation as adopted a form of universal healthcare, except the US. The result is the US pays more and gets less.

[rcfieldz]

Pray The Obama Away!

[Chris]

You actually do share in the benefit of others health. Poor health is a huge drag on the economy, as is the bankruptcies associated with medical bills.

It may be an appeal to emotion, but the reality is, that's what many are essentially saying.

The free market doesn't work, nor does it cover everyone. That's a fantasy. That's why every other modern nation as adopted a form of universal healthcare, except the US. The result is the US pays more and gets less.

Appeals to emotion as fallacious. We both care, we each have different solutions.

"That's a fantasy." is not an argument. Everyone gets health care.

Every other nation's health care costs are rising at just about the same rate. That's not success. That's a path to failure. At some point it can no longer be paid for.

The value of free-market solutions is they allow individual people to make their own choices according to their own values. Centrally planned systems cannot do that.