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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabuki Joe View Post
    ...BS...there are very few people that have the resolve to make the right choice every time...very few...and then we need to argue "what is the right choice?"...you need someone standing behind people, sometimes close, sometimes far, to keep them honest when they need it...


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    Quote Originally Posted by kathaariancode View Post
    I'm used to this position being used by the types of people who argue its inevitability. Often they're the same people who argue that same sex marriage will lead to polygamy, but there is no correlation between those two. But you're more reasonable than that type.

    I do think it's far fetched. To me it's clear that allowing adults to make these choices is a far cry from allowing adults to make these choices about children and vice versa, but based on your argument that is because I am a product of my time. Other than Ancient Greece, is there any civilized society that we know did not frown upon pedophilia?
    As far as I know of no society has ever approved of pedophilia. Pederasty was and is more common than you think...

    Edit: My larger point was that once a people becomes uprooted and alienated from its traditions (i.e. as the hyper-individualism of modernity continues apace) what was once unthinkable becomes increasingly possile. That's the pattern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    What's off limits depends on the culture. Pedophilia, however, was always off limits.
    ...show me where it says that?...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabuki Joe View Post
    ...show me where it says that?...


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    It's on page 45 of World History. WTF?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    As far as I know of no society has ever approved of pedophilia. Pederasty was and is more common than you think...
    ...first you told me it never was and now you tell someone else you don't know if it was...you are looking wishy-washy...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    Add rape to that suggestion also, but either way I would disagree.

    Consensual sex between two consenting adults isn't illegal in the sense that they're adults and consenting.

    You cannot make the same argument with pedophilia or rape for that matter.

    ...come to think of it, one time anal sex was thought to be rape, but not anymore, some people dig it...


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    Quote Originally Posted by kathaariancode View Post
    I'm used to this position being used by the types of people who argue its inevitability. Often they're the same people who argue that same sex marriage will lead to polygamy, but there is no correlation between those two. But you're more reasonable than that type.

    I do think it's far fetched. To me it's clear that allowing adults to make these choices is a far cry from allowing adults to make these choices about children and vice versa, but based on your argument that is because I am a product of my time. Other than Ancient Greece, is there any civilized society that we know did not frown upon pedophilia?

    ...polygamy and same-sex are completely different, one is for carrying on your lineage, the other is for............................................... .....well, I don't know what the other one is for to be honest...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    Check and balance measures against unethical activity, it does not prohibit or otherwise eliminate it.

    ...our prison system is full of people that still screwed up even when someone was standing right behind them...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabuki Joe View Post
    ...first you told me it never was and now you tell someone else you don't know if it was...you are looking wishy-washy...


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    As far as I know of no society has ever approved of pedophilia means no society has to my knowledge, Joe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    And who might these someones be to govern us?

    "If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary." ~Madison, Federalist 51.

    ...when you bring religion into it, I can't take you serious, it's just looking for a reason to not think for yourself...

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