Cause and affect

[Ransom]

Generally speaking, countries bring in refugees not because they can offer them employment, but because they can offer them sanctuary.

But they are treated as pariah...as outcasts....

[Ransom]

@donttread

Donttread, you need a mention here as a point you so often make is being reasoned here. Those who attacked us on 9-11 as you point out repeatedly, were mostly Saudis. But look to the points being argued here, that the Saudis were mere puppets. Whackjobs. Recruited and paid by the Egyptian ring leader and Pakistani mastermind. What are your thoughts there?

[donttread]

@donttread

Donttread, you need a mention here as a point you so often make is being reasoned here. Those who attacked us on 9-11 as you point out repeatedly, were mostly Saudis. But look to the points being argued here, that the Saudis were mere puppets. Whackjobs. Recruited and paid by the Egyptian ring leader and Pakistani mastermind. What are your thoughts there?

I believe OBL was Saudi. . We spent a lot of time and lives trying to track down a puppet? An apple can fall far from a tree, it can roll, an animal drags it etc. But 15 apples seldom do.

[Peter1469]

You don't understand the term lone wolf. That is OK. Many prominent people in counter-terrorism get tripped up on that term as well.

It likely results from the media's inability to understand the term.

Exactly, Who. Look to the example you use there, it highlights my points. Alwaki there the 'they' in your first post, the 'recruitment' piece, Hasan's facilitator and inspiration. Hasan.....isn't a lone wolf, Dr. Who, he wasn't outcast nor treated as a pariah in the United States. Hasan was anti-war...much like Timmy McVeigh was. Do you plainly not see the difference in the term lone wolf considering just those two attacks on American soil. McVeigh has accomplices, Hasan had mentors. You see that....yes?



Had traveled to Saudi Arabia several times....correct. Had come back with a brand new wife as well...had a young child even. Lived the American Dream. Stable and employed. Not treated as a pariah, Dr. Who. Not outcast from American society. Everyone was shocked, he had just fathered a child, just got married. Not anti-war, he seemed to also get closer to...how did you put it again...."his faith" without listing what that faith is, Dr. Who. Farook had facilitation, Dr. Who. He wasn't a lone wolf.



You're blaming being an unemployed loser??? For Christ's sake? And his Chechen struggle in Russia.........thus would explain a pipe bomb detonated in southern Russia then huh. Not the Boston Marathon. How about the mosques he was frequenting....taking that into your analysis? The fact that he visited southern Russia in regions well known for radicalization.....did you take that into consideration in your thought process, Dr. Who? What in the world? The Russians many keep blaming for Hillary's defeat.....did warn us Tsarnaev had been radicalized, is that a factor in your thinking here......at all? A lone wolf unemployed loser....this dude wasn't. I've seen colossal swings and misses, you are Casey at the bat on this one.



Many of these terrorists perish, Dr. Who, there is always conjecture including your wild ones here. We aren't determining foreign nor domestic, we're determining lone wolf versus coordination, methodology. And paid handsomely wasn't their primary motivation, again, you seem to list a factor concerning these realities that are hardly relevant.




"They" recruiters, were they recruited themselves? "They" got bosses, ring leaders, coordination? SO there is a network?????.......carrying out recruitment campaigns, so when one of these 'whackjobs' pulls a suicide stunt, 'they' really aren't lone wolves is what you're telling me.....they're merely the last or the end piece on a much larger much more sophisticated network, Dr. Who? Really......why.....tell me more!!!!



Oh I see. Tsarnaev is a lone wolf......Roof being labeled a lone wolf a misnomer......he read something ion the internet?

What in God's blue and green world? Dr. Who......I must respectfully submit. I think you got every word in that post wrong. Nearly. Have swung on an attempt to analyze these realities.....and have whiffed...badly. Good day, Sir.

[Dr. Who]

Exactly, Who. Look to the example you use there, it highlights my points. Alwaki there the 'they' in your first post, the 'recruitment' piece, Hasan's facilitator and inspiration. Hasan.....isn't a lone wolf, Dr. Who, he wasn't outcast nor treated as a pariah in the United States. Hasan was anti-war...much like Timmy McVeigh was. Do you plainly not see the difference in the term lone wolf considering just those two attacks on American soil. McVeigh has accomplices, Hasan had mentors. You see that....yes?



Had traveled to Saudi Arabia several times....correct. Had come back with a brand new wife as well...had a young child even. Lived the American Dream. Stable and employed. Not treated as a pariah, Dr. Who. Not outcast from American society. Everyone was shocked, he had just fathered a child, just got married. Not anti-war, he seemed to also get closer to...how did you put it again...."his faith" without listing what that faith is, Dr. Who. Farook had facilitation, Dr. Who. He wasn't a lone wolf.



You're blaming being an unemployed loser??? For Christ's sake? And his Chechen struggle in Russia.........thus would explain a pipe bomb detonated in southern Russia then huh. Not the Boston Marathon. How about the mosques he was frequenting....taking that into your analysis? The fact that he visited southern Russia in regions well known for radicalization.....did you take that into consideration in your thought process, Dr. Who? What in the world? The Russians many keep blaming for Hillary's defeat.....did warn us Tsarnaev had been radicalized, is that a factor in your thinking here......at all? A lone wolf unemployed loser....this dude wasn't. I've seen colossal swings and misses, you are Casey at the bat on this one.



Many of these terrorists perish, Dr. Who, there is always conjecture including your wild ones here. We aren't determining foreign nor domestic, we're determining lone wolf versus coordination, methodology. And paid handsomely wasn't their primary motivation, again, you seem to list a factor concerning these realities that are hardly relevant.




"They" recruiters, were they recruited themselves? "They" got bosses, ring leaders, coordination? SO there is a network?????.......carrying out recruitment campaigns, so when one of these 'whackjobs' pulls a suicide stunt, 'they' really aren't lone wolves is what you're telling me.....they're merely the last or the end piece on a much larger much more sophisticated network, Dr. Who? Really......why.....tell me more!!!!



Oh I see. Tsarnaev is a lone wolf......Roof being labeled a lone wolf a misnomer......he read something ion the internet?

What in God's blue and green world? Dr. Who......I must respectfully submit. I think you got every word in that post wrong. Nearly. Have swung on an attempt to analyze these realities.....and have whiffed...badly. Good day, Sir.

A lone wolf, lone-wolf terrorist or lone actor is someone who prepares and commits violent acts alone, outside of any command structure and without material assistance from any group. However, he or she may be influenced or motivated by the ideology and beliefs of an external group, and may act in support of such a group. https://www.google.ca/search?q=lone+...ism+definition

[donttread]

Just curiuos but does anyone know how many Americans have been killed by terrorist attacks since 9/11?

[Peter1469]

A lone wolf, lone-wolf terrorist or lone actor is someone who prepares and commits violent acts alone, outside of any command structure and without material assistance from any group. However, he or she may be influenced or motivated by the ideology and beliefs of an external group, and may act in support of such a group. https://www.google.ca/search?q=lone+...ism+definition

Close. Lone wolves often do seek help and assistance. That is how many in the US get caught, because our FBI (FBM?) has so many rats on the streets.

Because of this, Jihadist organizations have adopted the leaderless resistance model (used by white nationalists and eco-terrorists).

[Peter1469]

Just curiuos but does anyone know how many Americans have been killed by terrorist attacks since 9/11?

Not as many as Euros.

Or other Muslims.

Geography is a clue.

[donttread]

Not as many as Euros.

Or other Muslims.

Geography is a clue.

Just trying to bring in some perspective here

[Ransom]

You don't understand the term lone wolf. That is OK. Many prominent people in counter-terrorism get tripped up on that term as well.

It likely results from the media's inability to understand the term.

This from the member who termed Tamerlan Tsarnaev a lone wolf. That's funny Peter.