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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Finally got around to watching Wonder Woman (rented it on Red Box). Was the typical, formulaic superhero movie where everything in it - the characters, the dialog, the plot - exist only to provide an excuse for mindless action sequences. Any moral complexity or nuance that could be examined is literally kicked through walls and slammed into the ground like so many faceless Germans who are killed or maimed as the admittedly naive protagonist smashes her way across Europe. To the extent this underlying complexity is subject to examination, it is ultimately superficial, fleeting, and cheap. The ensemble cast are given similarly short shrift as their background stories are explained in the most perfunctory and cursory fashion, giving precious little insight into their present psychological states and underlying motivations. That said, the movie was not all bad. Like all big budget superhero movies, its strength lies in its visual splendor and scope. Gal Gadot is a competent actress who manages to portray the heroine effectively. And it does not hurt that she is physical perfection made manifest. However, these scant positives are not enough to redeem what is ultimately a hollow action movie whose hamfisted attempts to impart lessons of morality are overwhelmed by an interminable and obsessive fixation on explosions, implosions, and other forms of physical destruction.

    2.5 stars out of 4.
    I figure that is what it would have been like, and that's what I see most of the Superhero films as anyway, so it was probably no different - they're mainly designed just to be light-hearted action which is fun for the whole family, not micro-analyzed like some philosophical treatise or viewed as some "serious political statement".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Finally got around to watching Wonder Woman (rented it on Red Box). Was the typical, formulaic superhero movie where everything in it - the characters, the dialog, the plot - exist only to provide an excuse for mindless action sequences. Any moral complexity or nuance that could be examined is literally kicked through walls and slammed into the ground like so many faceless Germans who are killed or maimed as the admittedly naive protagonist smashes her way across Europe. To the extent this underlying complexity is subject to examination, it is ultimately superficial, fleeting, and cheap. The ensemble cast are given similarly short shrift as their background stories are explained in the most perfunctory and cursory fashion, giving precious little insight into their present psychological states and underlying motivations. That said, the movie was not all bad. Like all big budget superhero movies, its strength lies in its visual splendor and scope. Gal Gadot is a competent actress who manages to portray the heroine effectively. And it does not hurt that she is physical perfection made manifest. However, these scant positives are not enough to redeem what is ultimately a hollow action movie whose hamfisted attempts to impart lessons of morality are overwhelmed by an interminable and obsessive fixation on explosions, implosions, and other forms of physical destruction.

    2.5 stars out of 4.

    Well, then, as one who likes amoral action sequences I look forward to being entertained!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil'sAdvocate View Post
    I figure that is what it would have been like, and that's what I see most of the Superhero films as anyway, so it was probably no different - they're mainly designed just to be light-hearted action which is fun for the whole family, not micro-analyzed like some philosophical treatise or viewed as some "serious political statement".
    Yea, it was dumb. Germans bad, Americans good, with only scant moments of reflection on the moral ambiguities. I mean, you have to ask yourself how Wonder Woman reconciles her merciless destruction of dozens if not hundreds of German troops (many of whom are just naive young men fighting in a war they do not understand) with her ostensible commitment to saving humanity and protecting life. In other words, a movie that tries to revel in the transcendence of humanity utterly deprives the Germans of any humanity or complexity and treats them as mere props to be maimed, mangled, and destroyed by a flawless Amazonian beauty. But I did not expect anything more from this movie than gorgeous visuals, bombastic action, and light humor, which is why I feel as if I got my money's worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Yea, it was dumb. Germans bad, Americans good, with only scant moments of reflection on the moral ambiguities. I mean, you have to ask yourself how Wonder Woman reconciles her merciless destruction of dozens if not hundreds of German troops (many of whom are just naive young men fighting in a war they do not understand) with her ostensible commitment to saving humanity and protecting life. In other words, a movie that tries to revel in the transcendence of humanity utterly deprives the Germans of any humanity or complexity and treats them as mere props to be maimed, mangled, and destroyed by a flawless Amazonian beauty. But I did not expect anything more from this movie than gorgeous visuals, bombastic action, and light humor, which is why I feel as if I got my money's worth.
    And that's something that has always bugged me. I get portraying WWII Germans as bad, they at least gave somewhat logical reason for that, but WWI Germans? How the $#@! did we get around to treating them like the spawn of Satan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    And that's something that has always bugged me. I get portraying WWII Germans as bad, they at least gave somewhat logical reason for that, but WWI Germans? How the $#@! did we get around to treating them like the spawn of Satan?
    The subjection of Germany was the whole point of both world wars. Anti-German (indeed, anti-European) attitudes have a long history among the liberal democracies.
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