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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Look outside.

    The nation-states that rule people are not theory.

    Uh, so?

    Theory at dictionary.com:

    a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena
    The nation-state sure isn't that.

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    Oh boy...,

    I expect the nation-state system to last for a few more generations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Oh boy...,

    I expect the nation-state system to last for a few more generations.

    Yes and what on earth does that have to do with the topic: "Both proclaim, no doubt sincerely, that they wish to promote the well-being of the 'general public,' that they know what is in the 'public interest' and how to attain it better than the ordinary person. Both, therefore, profess a paternalistic philosophy. And both end up, if they attain power, promoting the interests of their own class in the name of the 'general welfare.'"?

    The nation-state exists. OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Yes and what on earth does that have to do with the topic: "Both proclaim, no doubt sincerely, that they wish to promote the well-being of the 'general public,' that they know what is in the 'public interest' and how to attain it better than the ordinary person. Both, therefore, profess a paternalistic philosophy. And both end up, if they attain power, promoting the interests of their own class in the name of the 'general welfare.'"?

    The nation-state exists. OK.
    Yes the nation state exists.

    The rest is fantasy, don't you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Yes the nation state exists.

    The rest is fantasy, don't you think?

    The OP assumes the existence of the modern state, read it, as the welfare state, it gives it's beginnings as conservative stealing liberal thunder. It then explains why it fails, because, as I've argued, central planners cannot know the values and wants of the people, but only serve that of the rulers. In another video, Freidman explains what the proper or successful role of the state would be, to pretect the freedom to pursue happiness, and that to pursue the welfare state, where some are entitle and other must pay, is unethical and can only fail. It's not sustainable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    The OP assumes the existence of the modern state, read it, as the welfare state, it gives it's beginnings as conservative stealing liberal thunder. It then explains why it fails, because, as I've argued, central planners cannot know the values and wants of the people, but only serve that of the rulers. In another video, Freidman explains what the proper or successful role of the state would be, to pretect the freedom to pursue happiness, and that to pursue the welfare state, where some are entitle and other must pay, is unethical and can only fail. It's not sustainable.
    I agree we are on the road to collapse.
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