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    America Needs a Foreign Policy That Doesn't Center on Regime Change

    America Needs a Foreign Policy That Doesn't Center on Regime Change

    Yes. America should worry about American citizens. Not people who live in other nations.

    Why do we care what a tribe in Afghanistan wants to do regarding the local governance?

    Rex Tillerson recently stated that “we should and do condition our policy engagements on people adopting certain actions as to how they treat people . . . but that doesn’t mean that’s the case in every situation.” He also said that pressing others to adopt American values “creates obstacles to our ability to advance our national-security interests [and] our economic interests.” Tillerson’s position should not be conflated with that of President Trump’s view, which is widely understood to be that promoting human rights overseas is not compatible with an America First position.

    Tillerson’s statements led Senator John McCain to write a strong op-ed in the New York Times in which he stressed that human rights ought to be the core of U.S. foreign policy. McCain writes that Tillerson’s words amount to the following message: “Don’t look to the United States for hope. Our values make us sympathetic to your plight, and, when it’s convenient, we might officially express that sympathy. But we make policy to serve our interests, which are not related to our values.” Furthermore, he writes that “it is foolish to view realism and idealism as incompatible or to consider our power and wealth as encumbered by the demands of justice, morality and conscience.”


    First of all, one notes that U.S. foreign policy, at least since World War II, was, and is, to work with authoritarian and even totalitarian regimes when this serves our core interests. Saudi Arabia is still beheading more people than ISIS.

    The United States supported the generals in South America despite the atrocities they committed, and did not hesitate to negotiate with North Korea and Iran. Often when the United States and Chinese delegations meet, the U.S. delegation reads its complaints about China’s abuse of human rights, while the Chinese wait for their turn to read some statement about the evils of capitalism. After completing this human-rights dance, both sides get down to business. One can argue whether it is a good idea to explicitly state the U.S. position or try to camouflage it. However, the way Tillerson put the Trump administration’s position on human rights breaks little new ground.


    More importantly, Senator McCain’s compelling call to keep the promotion of human rights as a core element of U.S. foreign policy does not address the fact that this goal is noble but the means may be foul. There is a vast moral and prudential difference between promoting human rights with nonlethal means (such as public diplomacy, leadership training, cultural exchanges and even smart sanctions) and coercive regime change. Such changes often lead to very high human and economic costs. These could be considered as a price one must pay for liberty, but they often result in new, very unsavory governments.
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    I know this is hard for you flat earth types but it is a small world and we have interests worldwide.
    Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I digress....

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Jim View Post
    I know this is hard for you flat earth types but it is a small world and we have interests worldwide.
    lol

    I follow Bismark and realpolitik.

    You comment was unenlightened.
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    To a certain extent I agree. Why do we insist on regime change in places where they patently do not want it, or simply where one faction which is no better than the other wants to be in charge? Provided there is no "vital US interest", and I do not include corporate profits in that catagory, we should leave well enough alone. If we must do business there we should deal with the existing government.

    In places where regime change is clearly in the best interest, a circumstance I am not at all sure has actually happened in recent times, we need to be much more selective who we back, much clearer what we expect to happen, and much more involved in how the country is run afterwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    @Peter1469

    To a certain extent I agree. Why do we insist on regime change in places where they patently do not want it, or simply where one faction which is no better than the other wants to be in charge? Provided there is no "vital US interest", and I do not include corporate profits in that catagory, we should leave well enough alone. If we must do business there we should deal with the existing government.

    In places where regime change is clearly in the best interest, a circumstance I am not at all sure has actually happened in recent times, we need to be much more selective who we back, much clearer what we expect to happen, and much more involved in how the country is run afterwards.
    We are in agreement in general.
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