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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Meh, environmentalists complain about violations of nature but then complain there will be no roads so they can't drive their SUVs so they can violate nature.

    That reminded me of the time in Seattle where a bunch of whacked out environmentalists were in plastic kayaks protesting an oil rig heading through on the way to Alaska.


    They were chanting about the evils of fossil fuel use and such. Someone asked them about the hypocrisy of transporting their petroleum based kayaks to the Puget Sound in their gas guzzling SUV's and they said that it's OK because they are using the resource responsibly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Meh, environmentalists complain about violations of nature but then complain there will be no roads so they can't drive their SUVs so they can violate nature.
    Many environmentalists, and I would put myself in this group, would love to see the expansion of truly dedicated and safe bike lanes in order to reduce car traffic and usage. Most roadways are never built with bikes in mind and in my opinion that should change. Bikes should have equal focus, and there have been plenty of studies and engineering examples that show dedicated bike lanes can dramatically reduce the amount of emissions in and around cities and reduce injuries and deaths
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    That reminded me of the time in Seattle where a bunch of whacked out environmentalists were in plastic kayaks protesting an oil rig heading through on the way to Alaska.


    They were chanting about the evils of fossil fuel use and such. Someone asked them about the hypocrisy of transporting their petroleum based kayaks to the Puget Sound in their gas guzzling SUV's and they said that it's OK because they are using the resource responsibly.
    The difference between a kayak made with some petroleum vs an oil rig carrying millions of pounds of oil is not comparable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chloe View Post
    Do they? I don't consistently see that at all. Ive been to a number of national parks, state parks, wilderness preserves, sanctuaries, local "wilderness" parks and so on and the difference of quality sometimes it's staggering between national and state and state to local.
    Well, yes. People pay for what they value. If a certain park isn't getting funding, then that means people don't value it as much as they do other things. Government merely says to those people: We reject your values and substitute our own. How is that fair? Suppose I want my money to go towards my healthcare or my retirement savings instead of some fancy visitor center in a forest preserve I'll probably visit once or twice in my entire life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I don't agree with this. We are abusing our SoF - riding them hard and putting them away wet. SoF does not win wars. Conventional forces do. The actual war part of Iraq was fast and decisive. What the US must understand is that you can't bring democracy where it is not wanted.

    There will be more peer or near-peer battles in the future. Force on force.
    There is always going to be the need for conventional forces.


    You are right in that our form of democracy is not appropriate for or even desired by every nation on earth. For some reason, we have developed this idealistic notion that every nation on earth can be a place where democracy can thrive. That just isn't the case and it never will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chloe View Post
    The difference between a kayak made with some petroleum vs an oil rig carrying millions of pounds of oil is not comparable.
    Then you support their hypocricy. That's fine.

    Besides, the oil rig carries no crude oil. It extracts this natural resource from the earth so it can be refined for use by people like you and me. Even the protesters gain the benefits of this product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pickle View Post
    Actually no... Those of us not retired are paying for your SS and Medicaid because they are both defunct, socialized entitlement programs... If they weren't the debt wouldn't be increasing on those programs...
    I am not retired - 7 more years to achieve my full benefit of $2100 at present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pickle View Post
    I know when you die it will be one less person I'm paying for... Fair?
    You're not paying $#@! and that was a $#@!ty thing to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by resister View Post
    Then why was the AF chopping parts from other planes?
    Link?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Yes it will. One of the biggest reasons the USA is under threat from abroad is because of its meddling in foreign countries. Less meddling will mean less hatred, which will make us all safer.
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