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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    I don't know how they would do that, I'm not an expert on Illinois' economic standing because I have zero power to change it.
    Their budget is a mess. But their largest problem is massive unfunded pension liabilities. There is a thread on Illinois' possible bankruptcy here somewhere.

    There is also a thread about the Cali plan for universal coverage- how it would exceed the entire state budget on its own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Their budget is a mess. But their largest problem is massive unfunded pension liabilities. There is a thread on Illinois' possible bankruptcy here somewhere.

    There is also a thread about the Cali plan for universal coverage- how it would exceed the entire state budget on its own.
    I commented in the latter one, IIRC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The bolded is key.
    To realize the single-payer dream of coverage for all and big savings, medical industry players, including doctors, would likely have to get paid less and patients would have to accept different standards of access and comfort. There is little evidence most Americans are willing to accept such tradeoffs.
    Sorry. I just found this looking for something else. Believe it or not, there are medical industry players, primarily including doctors, who still care more than the patient than when the next Mercedes shows up in their parking spot. Actually many more.

    In addition, whether it's a Mercedes in that parking lot or a Kia owned by a general practitioner working in the slums of the city or a rural area in that parking lot, they're still held to the same standard of care.

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    All the doctors I know in Canada are quite wealthy. Is an average salary of $300,000 not great? Many specialists make in the $600K plus range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    All the doctors I know in Canada are quite wealthy. Is an average salary of $300,000 not great? Many specialists make in the $600K plus range.
    lol most US doctors wouldnt work for 300,000 family drs make more than that. My Podiatrist is also a vet in my VFW he works part time 3 days a week and makes a half a million a year

    Surgeons make in the millions in the US, you have no idea about the US
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    lol most US doctors wouldnt work for 300,000 family drs make more than that. My Podiatrist is also a vet in my VFW he works part time 3 days a week and makes a half a million a year

    Surgeons make in the millions in the US, you have no idea about the US
    Bull$#@!. Salaries vary by state, but your claim is inaccurate.


    http://time.com/4408807/surgeon-sala...-doctors-make/

    Using a third-party online collection website, Medscape surveyed 24,216 physicians across 25 specialties from Feb. 1 to 17, 2012. Doctors' earnings ranged from about $156,000 a year for pediatricians to about $315,000 for radiologists and orthopedic surgeons. The highest earners — orthopedic surgeons and radiologists — were the same as last year, followed by cardiologists who earned $314,000 and anesthesiologists who made $309,000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Zero View Post
    Sorry. I just found this looking for something else. Believe it or not, there are medical industry players, primarily including doctors, who still care more than the patient than when the next Mercedes shows up in their parking spot. Actually many more.

    In addition, whether it's a Mercedes in that parking lot or a Kia owned by a general practitioner working in the slums of the city or a rural area in that parking lot, they're still held to the same standard of care.

    The standard of care is not so gold plated in single payer systems. That is why the US will suck at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The standard of care is not so gold plated in single payer systems. That is why the US will suck at it.
    The VA health care delivery system has been called the best there is. It's single payor. Be sure to read the following before the "But scandal!" cries come out.

    http://www.pnhp.org/news/2014/june/v...-care-anywhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Zero View Post
    The VA health care delivery system has been called the best there is. It's single payor. Be sure to read the following before the "But scandal!" cries come out.

    http://www.pnhp.org/news/2014/june/v...-care-anywhere
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    VA, Medicare and the ACA are great preludes to what single payer in this nation would be like.

    All three punish the provider and the patient by cutting coverage and access to healthcare while Big Healthcare continues to reap in profits at staggering rates.

    VA is a national embarrassment.

    Why would anyone think putting coverage entirely into the hands of gubmint would be a good idea?

    Big Healthcare and the low information voter are the only two I can think of. That and bought-and-paid-for establishment representatives.
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