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Thread: Military areas of control in the waning days of the Islamic State

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Not even a good guess.

    Not a guess, just simple observation. We don't need to be in the ME anymore but here we are $#@!ing with Assad among other things.

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    The danger that will be faced with the destruction of the ISIL "state" is that it will force thousands of extremists underground where their only weapon will be terror attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Not a guess, just simple observation. We don't need to be in the ME anymore but here we are $#@!ing with Assad among other things.
    We are in the Middle East because we have vital interests there. The question is what we should be doing there and what we should not be doing there.

    I am on the record as stating that we should never have opposed Assad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    The danger that will be faced with the destruction of the ISIL "state" is that it will force thousands of extremists underground where their only weapon will be terror attacks.

    Exactly. A transnational terrorist organization is more of a threat to the United States than a statelet in the Middle East trying to bring about their Calipate.
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    Waning days of the jv team, the sideshow is almost over.



    Analysis bone fcked and blown. Maybe next time we won't be in reaction mode, maybe if they come back we won't be so hesitant. So scared. Lost in "unintended consequences" discussions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    Waning days of the jv team, the sideshow is almost over.



    Analysis bone fcked and blown. Maybe next time we won't be in reaction mode, maybe if they come back we won't be so hesitant. So scared. Lost in "unintended consequences" discussions.

    Iraq has to keep Iraq together. Although that looks like it likely won't happen. The Kurds have an election set for September for independence. And it is unlikely that the Shiites will expend any effort into rebuilding the Sunni parts of the nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Exactly. A transnational terrorist organization is more of a threat to the United States than a statelet in the Middle East trying to bring about their Calipate.
    Yourself and Common Sense again swing and miss completely. I would figure as baseball season stretched on, batting averages would improve. Alas, tpf remains in a serious slump. Peter....Common Sense. They're one in the same. The Caliphate allows ISIS to fund and facilitate. This organization was transforming into an international terror threat long before Iraq and western forces in support began to roll them back. Their recruitment numbers were much more healthy, the Caliphate allowed them sanctuary to train and coordinate terror attacks ala the Taliban in Afghanistan. This organization mush less potent today, their fighters forced underground.....but are being killed. Direct military confrontation was the answer to ISIS as was foretold to you by Neocons years ago. Their caliphate is weakened. Their recruitment is off, their funding is off. If anything, it creates more the lone wolf. Thus why may 'affiliate' with ISIS rather than actually being a member of the caliphate or recruited by them. Those who haven't been abroad for training, those who aren't being mentored by an emir or sheik in a mosque well known for radicalization.

    Look to how the 9-11 attackers killed so many, while those with no technology, no support base must rent trucks and try to mow down pedestrians. That is more deadly than an organized, well funded, well coordinated attack like 9-11? You two.....wow.......just take Casey at the Bat mighty swings and do not even come close. For God's sake, the stakes are too high, might you two please and thank you....wake up.

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    You are incorrect as always.

    Stop.

    Consider the cost of running a statlet, with several cities with millions of residents.

    Think. Then post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    Yourself and Common Sense again swing and miss completely. I would figure as baseball season stretched on, batting averages would improve. Alas, tpf remains in a serious slump. Peter....Common Sense. They're one in the same. The Caliphate allows ISIS to fund and facilitate. This organization was transforming into an international terror threat long before Iraq and western forces in support began to roll them back. Their recruitment numbers were much more healthy, the Caliphate allowed them sanctuary to train and coordinate terror attacks ala the Taliban in Afghanistan. This organization mush less potent today, their fighters forced underground.....but are being killed. Direct military confrontation was the answer to ISIS as was foretold to you by Neocons years ago. Their caliphate is weakened. Their recruitment is off, their funding is off. If anything, it creates more the lone wolf. Thus why may 'affiliate' with ISIS rather than actually being a member of the caliphate or recruited by them. Those who haven't been abroad for training, those who aren't being mentored by an emir or sheik in a mosque well known for radicalization.

    Look to how the 9-11 attackers killed so many, while those with no technology, no support base must rent trucks and try to mow down pedestrians. That is more deadly than an organized, well funded, well coordinated attack like 9-11? You two.....wow.......just take Casey at the Bat mighty swings and do not even come close. For God's sake, the stakes are too high, might you two please and thank you....wake up.
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    Also consider that ISIL is basically a motarized light infantry unit. That is not a force that can infiltrate the US and conduct attacks.

    You need to think as opposed to react.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Also consider that ISIL is basically a motarized light infantry unit. That is not a force that can infiltrate the US and conduct attacks.

    You need to think as opposed to react.
    So is the Taliban, Peter. It's basically lightly armored, relies on abstract infantry tactics and sheer terror and murder. And yet establishing their 'caliphate', in this case the nation of Afghanistan, despite not having the ability to physically attack Americans, they become a direct national security threat...of vital national security interests. Don't they, Analyst?

    You and Common Sense must believe the Taliban is no such 'infiltrate unit', no threat to the US certainly. Are they?

    The Taliban cannot attack. Remain confined to Afghanistan although they have many leadership ties to leadership and funding from Pakistan. Are they a threat to the United States, Peter? Common Sense?

    They're not a transnational terror group. They're not sending suicide bombers. Cannot attack the US. What would be the harm or threat matrix should The Taliban be allowed to establish a caliphate or government in Afghanistan? Of vital national security interests to We the People? Peter?

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