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Thread: A City Uses a Farmer's Views on Gay Marriage to Shove Him Out of the Market

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Here is the actual case: https://adflegal.blob.core.windows.n...t.pdf?sfvrsn=4 (.pdf)

    First 3 or 4 pages, double spaced, spell out the case and why the farmer is suing.

    Basically the city regulated him from participating in a farmers market within city limits for action outside its limits, a Facebook profession of beliefs and refusal to rent out the farm for gay weddings. Challend the city changed the laws to include actions outside its limits. It, the claim charges, has violated The Home Rule City Act which prohibits this, and first amendment-protected rights. That's the claim.

    You can go off on tangents about the man, about discrimination, about what ifs, and other generaliaties and abstractions, but my interest is in whether the city has the power to regulate the farmer.
    As I said before, the City is acting in a discriminatory fashion. It cannot discriminate against religious beliefs. It can demand that its licensees not discriminate as a condition of that license, but it cannot hold religious views against an individual. The City is violating the Constitution. I don't believe that East Lansing sought legal advice or credible legal advice before passing a law that both violates the Home Rule City Act and embarks on a path of religious discrimination in order to avoid discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. The farmer's land is his home. It is not subject to public accommodation laws. One is free to practice their faith at home and pick and choose invitees, paying or not. The City should lose this suit. In fact, the state should be interceding at this point and putting East Lansing on notice of its overreach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    As I said before, the City is acting in a discriminatory fashion. It cannot discriminate against religious beliefs. It can demand that its licensees not discriminate as a condition of that license, but it cannot hold religious views against an individual. The City is violating the Constitution. I don't believe that East Lansing sought legal advice or credible legal advice before passing a law that both violates the Home Rule City Act and embarks on a path of religious discrimination in order to avoid discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. The farmer's land is his home. It is not subject to public accommodation laws. One is free to practice their faith at home and pick and choose invitees, paying or not. The City should lose this suit. In fact, the state should be interceding at this point and putting East Lansing on notice of its overreach.
    The farm is also his business. If the state had anti-discriminatory laws, right or wrong, he would have to abide. But it doesn't, and the city cannot violate homerule laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    The farm is also his business. If the state had anti-discriminatory laws, right or wrong, he would have to abide. But it doesn't, and the city cannot violate homerule laws.
    The City is ironically also violating its own laws regarding discrimination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    The City is ironically also violating its own laws regarding discrimination.
    That is true.

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