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    Something to think about. Had I been riped off there is no government agent, US or British, for me to turn to. Rather, I would turn to Amazon, a private company, who has set up agreements it can settle through private arbitration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    It's still added on after the free market exchange. The music store and i agreed to a voluntary exchnage. That's and a gazillion other such exchanges constitute the free market. Sure, the US goverment miight slap a tariff on it that I have to pay in addition, but the exchange has already taken place. Doesn't matter whether the tariff is 0% or 100%.
    I'm not sure that I understand your point of view. If tariffs are acceptable, then you are good with the status quo and the nation-state dynamic.
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    I'm not sure that I understand your point of view. If tariffs are acceptable, then you are good with the status quo and the nation-state dynamic.
    Right now all I'm trying to establish is the existence of the free market, as defined in the OP. It must exist if taxes, tariffs, and regulations are applied to it. There must be an it there. To dismiss it is no argument.

    From there it's simple logic, presented in the OP, to conclude free markets are fair, given that each person in an exchange trades voluntarily for something he values less for something he values more. What can be fairer than that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    No one is herein questioning the existence of the nation-state.

    The topic is the free market it tries to manage.
    Right. And where is the absence of regulation?

    I refer you to the link above about the reality of your proposition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Just gave example of free market exchanges local and global. Taxes nor tariffs make them no less.


    Again, no one is questioning here the existance of the nation-state you so like to change the topic to. It's acceped as a given in saying it taxes, tariffs, regulates and otherwise tries to manage the free market.
    I am not changing the topic. I am talking reality vice theory.

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    When we have a global government, Chris will be 100% correct.

    Today, not so much.
    Last edited by Peter1469; 06-23-2017 at 08:57 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    We we have a global government, Chris will be 100% correct.

    Today, not so much.
    True, so long as there are nation-states, they dictate who may trade with whom and on what basis. If someone in America wants to trade with someone in Cuba, can they? No. So much for a free market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    True, so long as there are nation-states, they dictate who may trade with whom and on what basis. If someone in America wants to trade with someone in Cuba, can they? No. So much for a free market.

    That is why we must be careful to note when we are talking about theory and when we are talking about the real world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Right. And where is the absence of regulation?

    I refer you to the link above about the reality of your proposition.
    Please read what I've been posting, respond to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I am not changing the topic. I am talking reality vice theory.

    Chris.
    Yes, you are, Peter, and you're misusing theory again, it's not an antonym of reality, a theory is a description of reality, be it my description or yours.

    I will no longer respond.

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