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    Clarence Thomas Attacks Civil Asset Forfeiture, Lower Court Follows His Lead

    Clarence Thomas Attacks Civil Asset Forfeiture, Lower Court Follows His Lead

    ...Thomas explained in Leonard v. Texas, "this system—where police can seize property with limited judicial oversight and retain it for their own use—has led to egregious and well-chronicled abuses." For one thing, "because the law enforcement entity responsible for seizing the property often keeps it, these entities have strong incentives to pursue forfeiture." For another, this sort of police abuse disproportionately harms disadvantaged groups. "These forfeiture operations frequently target the poor and other groups least able to defend their interests in forfeiture proceedings," he observed. "Perversely, these same groups are often the most burdened by forfeiture. They are more likely to use cash than alternative forms of payment, like credit cards, which may be less susceptible to forfeiture. And they are more likely to suffer in their daily lives while they litigate for the return of a critical item of property, such as a car or a home."

    To make matters worse, Thomas continued, the Supreme Court's previous rulings in this area do not line up with the text of the Constitution, which "presumably would require the Court to align its distinct doctrine governing civil forfeiture with its doctrines governing other forms of punitive state action and property deprivation." Those other doctrines, Thomas noted, impose significant checks on the government, such as heightened standards of proof, various procedural protections, and the right to a trial by jury. Civil asset forfeiture proceedings, by contrast, offer no such constitutional safeguards.

    In short, Justice Thomas offered a searing indictment of modern civil asset forfeiture and called on the judiciary to start reconsidering its flawed approach.
    At least "The D.C. Circuit got the message. In its opinion yesterday in United States v. Seventeen Thousand Nine Hundred Dollars in United States Currency" followed suit.

    Meanwhile Trump invites sheriff to 'destroy' Texas state lawmaker who opposes asset forfeiture.

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    Asset forfieture should be only after a criminal conviction.
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    Legalized theft, pure and simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Asset forfieture should be only after a criminal conviction.
    New Mexico made that law. It made some agencies, particularly Albuquerque PD quite unhappy.

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    I remember someone telling me Police could do that on another forum long ago and I said no they cant. I based that on that they couldnt do it when I was active.

    When it was shown to me be true, I thought that is just dead wrong and I still believe its dead wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    I remember someone telling me Police could do that on another forum long ago and I said no they cant. I based that on that they couldnt do it when I was active.

    When it was shown to me be true, I thought that is just dead wrong and I still believe its dead wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    I remember someone telling me Police could do that on another forum long ago and I said no they cant. I based that on that they couldnt do it when I was active.

    When it was shown to me be true, I thought that is just dead wrong and I still believe its dead wrong

    My reading on it, though somewhat limited, says it depends on the state and local laws whether it happens. So it doesn't happen everywhere.

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    Don't know if it's still true, but a few years ago Texas counties and towns reportedly had the worst and most out-of-control agencies. I've heard some horror stories about Florida, as well. How any judge worth his or her salt could possibly condone the practice is inconceivable to me.

    The law regarding civil forfeiture in Arizona was significantly changed just two months ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Asset forfieture should be only after a criminal conviction.
    What people aren't seeing is that they're allowing asset forfeiture IN LIEU of conviction.

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    Texas is bad but not the worst...



    Two years ago, from http://reason.com/blog/2015/06/09/th...sset-forfeitur

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