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    Mankind is the only creature with a soul. Creatures without souls are secondary, though important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Planets can't be "poisoned", Dr. Who. This is the kind of goofy environmentalist mysticism that's hard to take seriously. No offense. Wolves also competed with your ancestors for food. They lost and it's good that they lost. It's easy for middle class white people in 2017 to discount the need of our ancestors to feed their families, isn't it? I mean why couldn't they just go to Whole Foods!?

    Anyway, man was perfectly capable of destroying his environment and did so on a number of occasions. Technology is secondary. It always will be. It is culture and ideas that ultimately determine human attitudes (in tis case toward the natural world). I would suggest starting with Cartesian dualism if you really want to understand how Westerners have become so disconnected from the natural world. This is a relatively new phenomenon in historical terms. 10,000 years of peasant culture testify to it. That man is immersed in nature and ultimately dependent on it was the historical norm. If would behoove both of you to try and understand the origin of modern attitudes and how those attitudes shape the way we think about nature. It's hard because it requires self-reflection and critique but it's worth doing.

    Not a comment directed at you specifically, Dr. Who, but I must say that what I find unpalatable about "environmentalism" is its profoundly misanthropic character.
    This planet can indeed be poisoned. The one thing that links the entire planet, apart from the atmosphere, is water. If you poison the land, you poison the water table, which in turn poisons the tributaries and the rivers and eventually the ocean itself. Once you have poisoned the ocean, you have poisoned the entire planet because that poison will evaporate into the atmosphere turning the air that we breathe into a toxin. The planet will eventually heal itself, but we will be long gone.

    Modern attitudes are built on the legacy of old attitudes. Our divorce from nature has been a long and slow one. When ancient cities were dumping their waste into rivers and oceans, they were not in touch with nature (see the Romans). Societies that were in touch with nature buried their waste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    This planet can indeed be poisoned. The one thing that links the entire planet, apart from the atmosphere, is water. If you poison the land, you poison the water table, which in turn poisons the tributaries and the rivers and eventually the ocean itself. Once you have poisoned the ocean, you have poisoned the entire planet because that poison will evaporate into the atmosphere turning the air that we breathe into a toxin. The planet will eventually heal itself, but we will be long gone.

    Modern attitudes are built on the legacy of old attitudes. Our divorce from nature has been a long and slow one. When ancient cities were dumping their waste into rivers and oceans, they were not in touch with nature (see the Romans). Societies that were in touch with nature buried their waste.
    Earth is a rock floating in space, Dr. Who. It cannot be poisoned. It's not alive. This the realm of religion and philosophy, guys, not science.

    No, it hasn't been a long and slow one. If you would familiarize yourself with our intellectual history you would know that. The vast majority of the inhabitants of the Roman Empire were very close to nature and made their living from it. Secondly, you are confusing ideas here once again. The ancient Mesopotamians arguably over irrigated their farmlands and the Maya cleared to much forest but this wasn't done with contemporary attitudes of domination or subjection. The natural world was sacred. It is much later in human history that we find man totally separated from his environment which is the perceived as mere matter to be acted upon.

    BTW, the Roman sewage system was pretty damn advanced for its time. I'm sorry they couldn't replicate Toronto's sewer system 2000 years ago. If they had in touch with nature I guess they could have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    This planet can indeed be poisoned. The one thing that links the entire planet, apart from the atmosphere, is water. If you poison the land, you poison the water table, which in turn poisons the tributaries and the rivers and eventually the ocean itself. Once you have poisoned the ocean, you have poisoned the entire planet because that poison will evaporate into the atmosphere turning the air that we breathe into a toxin. The planet will eventually heal itself, but we will be long gone.

    Modern attitudes are built on the legacy of old attitudes. Our divorce from nature has been a long and slow one. When ancient cities were dumping their waste into rivers and oceans, they were not in touch with nature (see the Romans). Societies that were in touch with nature buried their waste.
    The Romans dumped waste into bodies of water.

    The Romans had a complex system of sewers covered by stones, much like modern sewers. Waste flushed from the latrines flowed through a central channel into the main sewage system and thence into a nearby river or stream. However, it was not uncommon for Romans to throw waste out of windows into the streets, at least according to Roman satirists. Despite this, Roman waste management is admired for its innovation.
    It is estimated that the first sewers of ancient Rome were built between 800 and 735 BC. Drainage systems evolved slowly, and began primarily as a means to drain marshes and storm runoff. The sewers were mainly for the removal of surface drainage and underground water.[1] The sewage system as a whole did not really take off until the arrival of the Cloaca Maxima, an open channel that was later covered, and one of the best-known sanitation artifacts of the ancient world. Most sources believe it was built during the reign of the three Etruscan kings in the sixth century BC. This "greatest sewer" of Rome was originally built to drain the low-lying land around the Forum. It is not known how effective the sewers were, especially in removing excrement.[2]
    From very early times the Romans, in imitation of the Etruscans, built underground channels to drain rainwater that might otherwise wash away precious top-soil, used ditches to drain swamps (such as the Pontine Marshes), and dug subterranean channels to drain marshy areas. Over time, the Romans expanded the network of sewers that ran through the city and linked most of them, including some drains, to the Cloaca Maxima, which emptied into the Tiber River. The Cloaca Maxima was built in the fourth century BC, and was largely reconstructed and enclosed under the authority of Agrippa as an aedile in 33 BC.[3] It still drains the Forum Romanum and surrounding hills. Strabo, a Greek author who lived from about 60 BC to AD 24, admired the ingenuity of the Romans in his Geographica, writing:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanita...n_ancient_Rome
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    The Romans dumped waste into bodies of water.

    The Romans had a complex system of sewers covered by stones, much like modern sewers. Waste flushed from the latrines flowed through a central channel into the main sewage system and thence into a nearby river or stream. However, it was not uncommon for Romans to throw waste out of windows into the streets, at least according to Roman satirists. Despite this, Roman waste management is admired for its innovation.
    It is estimated that the first sewers of ancient Rome were built between 800 and 735 BC. Drainage systems evolved slowly, and began primarily as a means to drain marshes and storm runoff. The sewers were mainly for the removal of surface drainage and underground water.[1] The sewage system as a whole did not really take off until the arrival of the Cloaca Maxima, an open channel that was later covered, and one of the best-known sanitation artifacts of the ancient world. Most sources believe it was built during the reign of the three Etruscan kings in the sixth century BC. This "greatest sewer" of Rome was originally built to drain the low-lying land around the Forum. It is not known how effective the sewers were, especially in removing excrement.[2]
    From very early times the Romans, in imitation of the Etruscans, built underground channels to drain rainwater that might otherwise wash away precious top-soil, used ditches to drain swamps (such as the Pontine Marshes), and dug subterranean channels to drain marshy areas. Over time, the Romans expanded the network of sewers that ran through the city and linked most of them, including some drains, to the Cloaca Maxima, which emptied into the Tiber River. The Cloaca Maxima was built in the fourth century BC, and was largely reconstructed and enclosed under the authority of Agrippa as an aedile in 33 BC.[3] It still drains the Forum Romanum and surrounding hills. Strabo, a Greek author who lived from about 60 BC to AD 24, admired the ingenuity of the Romans in his Geographica, writing:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanita...n_ancient_Rome
    That's nice. I'm sorry ancient Roman sanitation doesn't meet the 21st Century standards of upper middle white girls but it was highly advanced for its day. You might want to read that Wikipedia article. Wikipedia is very useful for uncontroversial subjects like ancient Roman sanitation.

    Oh, and you quoted yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    That's nice. I'm sorry ancient Roman sanitation doesn't meet the 21st Century standards of upper middle white girls but it was highly advanced for its day. You might want to read that Wikipedia article. Wikipedia is very useful for uncontroversial subjects like ancient Roman sanitation.

    Oh, and you quoted yourself.
    I didn't realize that I quoted myself. LOL. My point is that city dwellers are the ones who continue to drift away from nature and that isn't a new thing. What has been expanding on the planet is the number of and population size of cities. Urban denizens are less connected to the natural world but increasingly more of the population lives in big cities. Combined with less than conscientious practices on the parts of some industries, the life-giving properties of this planet can be destroyed by negligent practices and arrogance.

    As an aside, I don't believe that the planet is just a rock floating in space. She is alive.
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    What I really want to know is why was rcfieldz thread banned? His poop comment was illuminating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    What I really want to know is why was rcfieldz thread banned? His poop comment was illuminating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chloe View Post
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