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Thread: The Epic Failures of Neocons

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    Quote Originally Posted by Private Pickle View Post
    Good talk.
    Indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo-4 View Post
    Remember how Bush Junior claimed during during the campaign not to be an interventionist?

    And remember how Trump endlessly lamented the horrid mistake of Junior's interventionist war in Iraq??

    NOW - he appears to be enabling "Mad Dog Maddison" to commit ANOTHER 5,000 or so troops to the region and despite endless requests by Congress as to an actual STRATEGY?

    NOTHING - Same ol' Same ol' right?

    *Poster's note: Obama's surge in Afghanistan was a failure and epic FUBAR too
    Sadly, I think Mattis is one of the more reserved people in Trump's administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Islamic goals are irrelevant.
    They are everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    This thread will be dedicated to cataloging the failures of neocons. Granted, their failures are too numerous to cover comprehensively, so I will concentrate mostly on their failures starting in the 1980's when they created AQ.

    It's no secret that during the 1980's, the CIA was financing, training, and supporting the so-called "freedom fighters" in Afghanistan. What most people do not know is that these "freedom fighters" were actually Jihadist murderers and lunatics, and that they eventually transformed into Al Qaeda, the international terrorist organization who attacked us on 9/11.



    So all the problems we currently face in regards to international terrorism can be traced back to this original sin.

    But it doesn't stop there. Oh no. The neocons decided to unleash another monstrous terrorist threat on the world, this time in the form of ISIS.

    Long story short, the neocons, under Bush and Cheney, convinced Americans to invade and occupy Iraq in order to remove Saddam Hussein from power in a naive attempt to bring "freedom" and "democracy" to a country simmering over with sectarian hatred. The resultant power vacuum and instability allowed AQ to infiltrate the country. Once established, they were known as Al Qaeda in Iraq or AQI. Due to differences over strategy, vision, and ideology, AQI eventually broke away from "core" Al Qaeda and started its own, independent movement known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria or ISIS.



    Incidentally, their ability to leverage the instability of Syria as a means of expanding into that country was also the result of more neocon "regime change" chicanery.

    As early as 2006, neocons were already fomenting insurrection in Syria in an attempt to destabilize the Assad government.



    Basically, almost every terrorist threat the west faces, and every major problem in the Middle East, can be traced back to neocon foreign policy.
    So what you are saying is this all started under Carter and a democrat congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    So what you are saying is this all started under Carter and a democrat congress.
    The Democrat and Republican establishments are both part of the interventionist school of foreign policy. The neocon Republicans just happen to be the most aggressive and virulent subset of that particular school of thought, which is why I am focusing on them in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    They are everything.
    They don't exist because "Islam" is not a monolith with uniform goals and objectives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    They don't exist because "Islam" is not a monolith with uniform goals and objectives.
    Showing your ignorance again. You mean Muslims. Islam's goals are quite evident as ISIS is practicing true Islam,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The Democrat and Republican establishments are both part of the interventionist school of foreign policy. The neocon Republicans just happen to be the most aggressive and virulent subset of that particular school of thought, which is why I am focusing on them in this thread.
    Sure thing yet democrats started it all. Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Showing your ignorance again. You mean Muslims.
    I meant exactly what I said.

    Islam's goals are quite evident as ISIS is practicing true Islam,
    Like I just said, "Islam" doesn't have goals because it is not a monolithic movement with uniform beliefs and practices.

    And I'm still wondering why you get to decide what "true Islam" is when Muslims themselves cannot even agree on that point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Sure thing yet democrats started it all. Go figure.
    It was a bipartisan policy among the establishments in both parties. I'm sorry if you cannot accept responsibility for your party's love affair with Jihadists, but it's a documented fact.
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