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    Why Avoid Discussing Health Care?

    I've noticed that our resident Trump fans seem rather afraid to initiate a topic on the so-called health care bill that the Senate is expected to pass this week, despite the fact that it's likely to wind up being one of the most impactful pieces of legislation that gets enacted under Donald Trump. Why? Could it be because the so-called "Better Care Reconciliation Act" is not actually a health care bill, but rather the single largest transfer of wealth UP the social ladder in American history? Easier to whine about "snowflakes" than to defend the needless condemnation of tens of millions of poor and working class people to sickness and early death in order to fund a $590 million tax break for rich people?

    According to the Congressional Budget Office estimate, the bill now under consideration by the Senate will take away the health insurance coverage of 15 million people by next year, if enacted; a figure that will rise to 22 million by the year 2026. The basic method is this: the bill will slash $772 billion in Medicaid funding (i.e. a 26% cut to the program) in exchange for $590 billion in tax breaks for rich people. Notice how similar those numbers are. They show where the money will come from and where it will go to respectively: it will come from a program that funds health insurance for poor and low-income people and be delivered into the bank accounts of rich people.

    The bulk of the coverage loss would occur as the result of terminating the Affordable Care Act's expansion of Medicaid coverage to working class, i.e. low-income Americans (where traditionally it had only covered the formally impoverished), which will result in a 16% drop-off in Medicaid enrollment, with 15 million losing their coverage as a result. Low-income people (i.e. people in my income category of about $30,000 a year) would be the most affected, with the share of uninsured in this income group rising from 15% to 40% over the next decade. "Substantially smaller average subsidies", coupled with skyrocketing deductibles, will do the rest of the job, the CBO report says. In other words, premiums will fall after 2020, but only because of reduced coverage and soaring deductibles that will render medical insurance either pointless or unaffordable for millions and millions. By reduced coverage I mean health insurance companies denying coverage for such things as doctor's services, inpatient and outpatient hospital care, ambulance service, prescription drug coverage, pregnancy and childbirth care and mental health and substance abuse services, if that helps clear things up and bring this issue to a human level for people.

    Put in perspective: the Affordable Care Act reduced the number of uninsured Americans from 50 million to 28 million. This bill will, according to the CBO, send it back up to 49 million, essentially reversing the entire effect of the ACA. And for what? A giant tax break for rich people! Let's see you defend that.
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    Meh, Obamacare is dying on the vine and this is actually just a Band-Aid not a remove and replace.

    Of course the left will have hysterics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    I've noticed that our resident Trump fans seem rather afraid to initiate a topic on the so-called health care bill that the Senate is expected to pass this week, despite the fact that it's likely to wind up being one of the most impactful pieces of legislation that gets enacted under Donald Trump. Why? Could it be because the so-called "Better Care Reconciliation Act" is not actually a health care bill, but rather the single largest transfer of wealth UP the social ladder in American history? Easier to whine about "snowflakes" than to defend the needless condemnation of tens of millions of poor and working class people to sickness and early death in order to fund a $590 million tax break for rich people?
    That isn't the reason, at all. As usual, you are pretty much clueless.

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    You and the rest of the lefts Obama fans forget that there was no discusson on the ACA when Pelosi rammed it down the throat of america. Now suddenly they want to talk. We all pay for our sins eventually just like Reid and his infamous nuclear option
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    Before the ACA why werent there dead people laying in the street ? because everyone has always had healthcare. If you didnt have insurance you got it for free. No one could afford insurance when I was a kid.

    The aca without any intervention will be DEAD in 2018 and that was created without any republican discussion.
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    Don't waste your breath. I found out that these forums are a cesspool of right Fanatics.
    This healthcare bill will decimate rural health, kill jobs, especially in Georgia, and give the top %1 a bigger slice of the economic pie.
    People think that it will give a tax break to the middle class. IT WILL NOT. If any thing they will be burdened further, particularly those between the ages of 60 and 65.
    It's funny how middle class red necks believe they will get any tax breaks from trumpcare or any legislation passed by the red congress. If your not rich, this congress will not give you a tax break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    If you didnt have insurance you got it for free. No one could afford insurance when I was a kid.
    Can you elaborate please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    You and the rest of the lefts Obama fans forget that there was no discusson on the ACA when Pelosi rammed it down the throat of america. Now suddenly they want to talk. We all pay for our sins eventually just like Reid and his infamous nuclear option
    No, it seems like you and the rest of the right Trump fans forgot that the discussion on ACA was debated in three house committees and two senate committees. Try to stay away from fake news.

    According to Mark Peterson, chair of the UCLA Department of Public Policy, one easy metric by which to judge transparency is the number of hearings held during the development of a bill, as well as the different voices heard during those hearings. So far, the GOP repeal efforts have been subject to zero public hearings.

    In contrast, the ACA was debated in three House committees and two Senate committees, and subject to hours of bipartisan debate that allowed for the introduction of amendments. Peterson told us in an e-mail that he “can’t recall any major piece of legislation that was completely devoid of public forums of any kind, and that were crafted outside of the normal committee and subcommittee structure to this extent”.
    “Conscientiously believing that the proper condition of the negro is slavery, or a complete subjection to the white man, and entertaining the belief that the day is not distant when the old Union will be restored with slavery nationally declared to be the proper condition of all of African descent, and in view of the future harmony and progress of all the States of America, I have been induced to issue this address, so that there may be no misunderstanding in the future”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scerab View Post
    Can you elaborate please?
    No as one of the cesspool of right wing fanatics
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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    No, it seems like you and the rest of the right Trump fans forgot that the discussion on ACA was debated in three house committees and two senate committees. Try to stay away from fake news.
    Pelosi rammed the aca through, aside from that it left MILLIONS uninsured and its a total utter failure. All of you on the left want to do is posture and so far all your posturing is failing.

    Obamacare left many without healthcare and many who worked and couldnt afford it.
    So get off your high horse your aca is a PROVEN failure, this gop bill is not.
    LETS GO BRANDON
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