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    CNN: Democrats need to understand White working class matters

    As Ive said here more than a couple of times, traditional working class democrats are not leaning democrat anymore. Its gotten worse for democrats since trump was elected and theyve spent every minute of every day doing nothing and saying nothing but I HATE TRUMP, just now they are starting to realize. They should have told Obama that when he started his second term, the dems might not have gotten decimated.

    CNN Host: Democrats Have To Start Accepting That White Working Class Voters Matter

    You may not agree with everything CNN’s Fareed Zakaria says, but his op-ed in The Washington Post about the Democratic Party’s disconnect with roughly half the country is worth your time. For starters, it hits home to what many within political circles, left and right, have been saying concerning what Democrats need to do for survival: reach out to white working class voters and in doing so—reclaim pieces of rural America. For that to occur, Zakaria says the Left, which is dominated by urban elites, needs to recognize that white working class voters matter, they have issues that are of equal importance, and that they have worth in our political discourse [emphasis mine]:
    It’s worth considering how much the Democratic Party has changed over the past 25 years. Bill Clinton’s party was careful to come across as moderate on many social issues. It had a middle-of-the-road position on immigration and was cautiously progressive on subjects such as gay rights. The Democrats eventually moved boldly leftward in some of these areas, such as gay rights, out of an admirable sense of principle. On others, such as immigration, they did so largely to court a growing segment of Democratic voters, a process that Peter Beinart nicely explains in the most recent Atlantic issue. But in a broader sense, the Democratic Party moved left because it became a party dominated by urban, college-educated professionals, and its social and cultural views naturally mirrored this reality.

    The party’s defense of minorities and celebration of diversity are genuine and praiseworthy, but they have created great distance between itself and a wide swath of Middle America. This is a cultural gulf that cannot be bridged by advocating smarter policies on tax credits, retraining and early-childhood education. The Democrats need to talk about America’s national identity in a way that stresses the common elements that bind, not the particular ones that divide. Policies in these areas do matter. The party should take a position on immigration that is less absolutist and recognizes both the cultural and economic costs of large-scale immigration. On some of the issues surrounding sexual orientation, it can and should affirm its principles without compromise. But perhaps it is possible to show greater understanding for parts of the country that disagree. California recently enacted a travel ban that now prohibits state-funded travel to eight states with laws that — in California’s view — discriminate against LGBT people. Meanwhile, California has no problem paying for employees to travel to such havens of tolerance as China, Qatar and Russia.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...matte-n2349851
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    As Ive said here more than a couple of times, traditional working class democrats are not leaning democrat anymore. Its gotten worse for democrats since trump was elected and theyve spent every minute of every day doing nothing and saying nothing but I HATE TRUMP, just now they are starting to realize. They should have told Obama that when he started his second term, the dems might not have gotten decimated.

    CNN Host: Democrats Have To Start Accepting That White Working Class Voters Matter

    You may not agree with everything CNN’s Fareed Zakaria says, but his op-ed in The Washington Post about the Democratic Party’s disconnect with roughly half the country is worth your time. For starters, it hits home to what many within political circles, left and right, have been saying concerning what Democrats need to do for survival: reach out to white working class voters and in doing so—reclaim pieces of rural America. For that to occur, Zakaria says the Left, which is dominated by urban elites, needs to recognize that white working class voters matter, they have issues that are of equal importance, and that they have worth in our political discourse [emphasis mine]:
    It’s worth considering how much the Democratic Party has changed over the past 25 years. Bill Clinton’s party was careful to come across as moderate on many social issues. It had a middle-of-the-road position on immigration and was cautiously progressive on subjects such as gay rights. The Democrats eventually moved boldly leftward in some of these areas, such as gay rights, out of an admirable sense of principle. On others, such as immigration, they did so largely to court a growing segment of Democratic voters, a process that Peter Beinart nicely explains in the most recent Atlantic issue. But in a broader sense, the Democratic Party moved left because it became a party dominated by urban, college-educated professionals, and its social and cultural views naturally mirrored this reality.

    The party’s defense of minorities and celebration of diversity are genuine and praiseworthy, but they have created great distance between itself and a wide swath of Middle America. This is a cultural gulf that cannot be bridged by advocating smarter policies on tax credits, retraining and early-childhood education. The Democrats need to talk about America’s national identity in a way that stresses the common elements that bind, not the particular ones that divide. Policies in these areas do matter. The party should take a position on immigration that is less absolutist and recognizes both the cultural and economic costs of large-scale immigration. On some of the issues surrounding sexual orientation, it can and should affirm its principles without compromise. But perhaps it is possible to show greater understanding for parts of the country that disagree. California recently enacted a travel ban that now prohibits state-funded travel to eight states with laws that — in California’s view — discriminate against LGBT people. Meanwhile, California has no problem paying for employees to travel to such havens of tolerance as China, Qatar and Russia.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...matte-n2349851
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    Trump touts 'great jobs numbers' that aren't actually so great


    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-trump-jobs-20170703-htmlstory.html

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    It was clearly one of the mistakes Dems made. Unfortunately there is little evidence that they are going to do anything about it. My hope is that they are still working on a platform and seeking new leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    It was clearly one of the mistakes Dems made. Unfortunately there is little evidence that they are going to do anything about it. My hope is that they are still working on a platform and seeking new leadership.
    The democrats took the lead set by Obama, I know you hate to hear anything negative about Obama but you cant dispute facts. The democrats lost the house the senate more govnorships and state and local elections than ever before and it was because obama didnt even look in the direction of middle class america for 8 full years, they simply were not his focus.

    Liberals believe that includes our forum liberals that democrats are doing just fine and its republicans that are going down the tube. YOU are being lied too, just like they kept lieing hillary was way ahead. The polls negative for trump are half BS to make americans believe they are on the losing team, Its not working
    The democrats spent 46 million dollars on the Georgia Trump Killer Election, they outspent the gop by 7 fold. That should show them they cant buy elections, you have to actually win them.
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    They abandoned the working class for transgendered bathrooms and $#@!. Not a winning strategy, to be sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Xl View Post
    They abandoned the working class for transgendered bathrooms and $#@!. Not a winning strategy, to be sure.
    That's a point that I find puzzling. It's also a claim I've heard before.

    Advocating for a groups rights isn't an attack or an abandonment on anyone else. It wasn't even really an issue the Obama admin dealt with.

    Just because they helped one group doesn't mean they were forsaking another. It's like saying if party A was trying to tackle campaign finance reform and what people got from that is that they were soft on terrorism.

    However, optics are important. If people were under that impression, then it should have been addressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    It was clearly one of the mistakes Dems made. Unfortunately there is little evidence that they are going to do anything about it. My hope is that they are still working on a platform and seeking new leadership.
    Finally we agree.
    I am tired of everyone fighting with each other. This is all by design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    That's a point that I find puzzling. It's also a claim I've heard before.

    Advocating for a groups rights isn't an attack or an abandonment on anyone else. It wasn't even really an issue the Obama admin dealt with.

    Just because they helped one group doesn't mean they were forsaking another. It's like saying if party A was trying to tackle campaign finance reform and what people got from that is that they were soft on terrorism.

    However, optics are important. If people were under that impression, then it should have been addressed.
    The working class should have been their biggest priority. The amount of time and energy they put into it wasn't acceptable, and they wasted time and energy on non issues. It was silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Xl View Post
    The working class should have been their biggest priority. The amount of time and energy they put into it wasn't acceptable, and they wasted time and energy on non issues. It was silly.
    That's it though...there was very little time or money put into it. Media coverage does not equal government attention. It's not as if the government was too busy with the trans issue to tackle middle class and their problems.

    Much of what Obama tried to accomplish for the middle class was blocked. Other things went unnoticed like access to college loans, saving the auto industry, changing overtime rules and the stimulus package. Obama or any president can't bring back manufacturing jobs. Manufacturing is up in the US. But so is automation.

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