lol, just lol.
lol, just lol.
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You missed the whole point of my OP. Let me recap it for you:DGUtley wrote:
4. I agree with Hoosier -- why do liberal women only defend liberal women and let conservative women be pilloried.
"In the past, American conservatives have complained about discrimination against women of a politically conservative bent. They have claimed that feminists only defend liberal, left wing, or other feminist women. And yet...who has it been defending the likes of Megyn Kelly, Gretchen Carlson, and Mika Brzezinski? Feminists. And you know who we've been having to defend these women against? You. Conservative men."
In other words, I AM defending conservative women against sexist attacks. You are not.
What on Earth are you talking about? I "permit" other women to hold whatever views they want! That doesn't mean I have to agree with everything that comes out of Kellyanne Conway's mouth (e.g. her recent argument that it's sexist to criticize sexism), does it? I would still defend her if she were, for example, sexually harassed or what have you even so, just like I have with Megyn Kelly, Gretchen Carlson, and Mika.Why do feminists not permit strong and independent women to have independent thoughts that disagree with current feminist dogma?
Serious feminists, such as yours truly, did/do not.Hoosier wrote:
Why did feminists defend the likes of Bill Clinton?
"Everything" is not a gender issue with me. Gender issues, however, are. And yes, I care about them, admittedly more than most people. If you can't deal with that then let me recommend that you not click on my threads in the future. (As a matter of fact, why don't you do that regardless?)Captain Obvious wrote:
Why does everything have to be a gender issue with you?
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Megyn Kelly, Gretchen Carlson, and Mika Brzezinski are media personalities, not conservatives.
But you have denied pro-life feminists are feminists.What on Earth are you talking about? I "permit" women to hold whatever views they want!
I can understand you disagree with them. But they are feminists just the same.
DGUtley (07-06-2017)
That's your opinion, not their's or that of their audiences.Chris wrote:
Megyn Kelly, Gretchen Carlson, and Mika Brzezinski are media personalities, not conservatives.
The funny thing about feminists is that they support women's rights. You see how that makes sense with the term and everything?But you have denied pro-life feminists are feminists.
There are many issues on which feminists disagree with each other. Reproductive rights isn't one of them. Not in today's world. That is considered part of the baseline criteria on which the movement pretty unanimously agrees. Areas of disagreement include things like transgender politics, the sex industry, that sort of thing.I can understand you disagree with them. But they are feminists just the same.
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They may be sold to their audiences as this or that, but they're just acting, media actors.
But you have denied pro-life feminists are feminists.Oh but they do defend women's rights, contrary to your opinion, they just also defend the rights of the unborn equally. You see how that makes sense with the term and everything?The funny thing about feminists is that they support women's rights. You see how that makes sense with the term and everything?
Your disagreeing with them does not make them less feminist.
There are many issues on which feminists disagree with each other. Reproductive rights isn't one of them. Not in today's world. That is considered part of the baseline criteria on which the movement pretty unanimously agrees. Areas of disagreement include things like transgender politics, the sex industry, that sort of thing.Chris wrote:
Oh but they do defend women's rights, contrary to your opinion, they just also defend the rights of the unborn equally. You see how that makes sense with the term and everything?
A woman's basic right to control her own body is not in dispute within the movement. If we forfeit that right, then we sign onto the logic that says rape is okay.
resister (07-06-2017)
Ah, but it is. These pro-life feminists exist despite your denying their existence.
You come off sounding like quite the authoritarian dictating who can and cannot be a feminist, which runs counter to everything else you say.
Being pro-life is not being pro-rape. Nice try at demonizing pro-life feminists, typical leftist rhetorical strategy.
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Something went wrong with feminism in the 70s.Can you really be a feminist and pro-life?
Yes. Feminists for Life of America continues the tradition of Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton and other early American feminists who opposed abortion. Our efforts are shaped by the core feminist values of nondiscrimination, nonviolence and justice for all. Established in 1972, Feminists for Life is a nonsectarian, nonpartisan, grassroots organization that seeks real solutions to the challenges women face.
Abortion is a reflection that we have failed women—and women have settled for less.
“When a man steals to satisfy hunger, we may safely conclude that there is something wrong in society—so when a woman destroys the life of her unborn child, it is an evidence that either by education or circumstances she has been greatly wronged.”
—Mattie Brinkerhoff, The Revolution, 4(9):138-9 September 2, 1869
We insist on a world in which women have access to all nonviolent options. Think about the consequences of such a world for the workplace, schools, and society. We encourage woman-centered and parenting-friendly policies including distance learning, which allows a new mom to be with her child while continuing her education and saving on child-care costs; affordable family housing near campus; campus and workplace child care; health care plans for students and employees that include maternity coverage; telecommuting and job sharing; a living wage; and child support when one parent is absent. We have to approach this holistically.
Pro-life feminists demand that society support the unique life-giving capacity of women, so that no woman feels driven to abortion. Women deserve better.