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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    You work for Fox News or summit.

    Your insights are just as blind.
    Now you're just making shit up. Are you afraid of discussion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Here are your three statements:

    A "The rich hold two trillion in cash they are not willing to invest."

    B "Trickle-down economics has been shown time and again not to work."

    C "The only way to get money out of the rich is to tax them. And tax them heavily."

    Explain how one follows on the other, hell, explain what any even have to do with each other.
    I would have thought it was obvious.

    The rich, whether they hold onto their cash or reluctantly invest it, do not contribute to the welfare of average Americans in any holistic sense. Rather, they prey on them. And the only way to get them to contribute is to tax them.

    You might not like my elliptic, maybe cryptic, style. But you'll have to learn to live with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Here are your three statements:

    A "The rich hold two trillion in cash they are not willing to invest."

    B "Trickle-down economics has been shown time and again not to work."

    C "The only way to get money out of the rich is to tax them. And tax them heavily."

    Explain how one follows on the other, hell, explain what any even have to do with each other.
    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    I would have thought it was obvious.

    The rich, whether they hold onto their cash or reluctantly invest it, do not contribute to the welfare of average Americans in any holistic sense. Rather, they prey on them. And the only way to get them to contribute is to tax them.

    You might not like my elliptic, maybe cryptic, style. But you'll have to learn to live with it.
    All you've done is repeat assertions A and C and left out B. It amounts to (A) Some have money, (C) take it from them.

    But what's the relationship between A and C, how does C follow logically from A.

    Nothing to do with like/dislike or any other feeling. Explain your logic, if there is any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    All you've done is repeat assertions A and C and left out B. It amounts to (A) Some have money, (C) take it from them.

    But what's the relationship between A and C, how does C follow logically from A.

    Nothing to do with like/dislike or any other feeling. Explain your logic, if there is any.
    As I said, your ideology makes any logical reasoning pointless.

    The theme of my argument has been perfectly explained in #52.

    That you don't get it is hardly a fault in my presentation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Examples of weakness, please.
    Weakness? Who said anything about "weakness"? Spoken like a true Tea Partier.

    It's interesting that you equate compromise with weakness. I bet Clinton and Gingrich didn't think that in their 1997 secret pact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    The fiscal cliff has an interesting array of political possibilities.

    Some Dems say let it happen so that they can blame (proven) Republican obstructionism and retake the House. Some Pugs say let it happen so that they can (hopefully) blame the Democrats and cement their majority. (But they have lost any reputational ability to do that in any credible way.)

    The Dems have the better strategy and the stronger levers. They can totally neutralise the Republican extremists if the tax increases and expenditure cuts go ahead. Especially if they can cast Republican extremists as having caused it. Even moderate Republican politicians would welcome that because it would give them the edge over Tea Party incumbents.

    Maybe you will have to jump after all.

    Happy landing.

    (Fond wishes from 12000 miles)
    Difference is, I am not worried about where the credit goes. That is the problem with this nation. Blame and credit is overrated. Both parties have brought us here. The Republicans will be castigated no matter what happens, so actually, they have the upper hand in all matters, they are just to blind to see it. The Democrats are standing on a pillar of salt simply b/c the crash happens no matter what. Let them blame all others all they want, don't raise the debt ceiling b/c it is the right thing to do to get the government to stop spending money we don't have.

    if all you people care about is blame and credit, then we are already at an end b/c that kind of bickering isn't doing anybody any good. Time to face reality.

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    Examples of weakness, please.
    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    Weakness? Who said anything about "weakness"? Spoken like a true Tea Partier.

    It's interesting that you equate compromise with weakness. I bet Clinton and Gingrich didn't think that in their 1997 secret pact.
    Weakness? Who said anything about "weakness"?
    I did. Just because you opine compromise strenght doesn't make it so.

    Spoken like a true Tea Partier.
    Why thank you.

    It's interesting that you equate compromise with weakness. I bet Clinton and Gingrich didn't think that in their 1997 secret pact.
    Gringrich's weakness was to compromise and sell out Contract with America. Clinton compromised the presidency over the meaning of is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    As I said, your ideology makes any logical reasoning pointless.

    The theme of my argument has been perfectly explained in #52.

    That you don't get it is hardly a fault in my presentation.
    As I said, your ideology makes any logical reasoning pointless.
    No, what you said was this:

    You might not like my elliptic, maybe cryptic, style. But you'll have to learn to live with it.


    The theme of my argument has been perfectly explained in #52.
    Oh, yea, the three non sequitars, two of which you merely repeated. The following question remains: "But what's the relationship between A and C, how does C follow logically from A."

    That you don't get it is hardly a fault in my presentation.
    It is when you refuse to explain yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    And they call me Captain Obvious...
    Not Supreme Commander Obvious, however.

    And I already know what your reply will be, so do not respond unless you think you can out obvious GrumpyDog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    Weakness? Who said anything about "weakness"? Spoken like a true Tea Partier.

    It's interesting that you equate compromise with weakness. I bet Clinton and Gingrich didn't think that in their 1997 secret pact.
    I think they wore gloves when they shook hands though.

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