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    if we can look up into the sky and see a whole fleet of asteroids heading for us, we lose our tunnel vision and experience a healthy form of panic
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/07/op...0&ref=politics

    Wisdom from the NYTimes and John Stuart Mill.

    Panic healthily.
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    John Stuart Mill was great on liberty but fell short with utilitarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    John Stuart Mill was great on liberty but fell short with utilitarianism.
    You mean he liked it too much or not enough?

    Many political philosophers since Mills have discredited the utilitarian approach. John Rawls among others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    You mean he liked it too much or not enough?

    Many political philosophers since Mills have discredited the utilitarian approach. John Rawls among others.
    Where'd I say anything at all about like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Where'd I say anything at all about like?
    So "fell short" does not indicate distaste?

    What do you think he should have aimed more fulsomely for?
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    Read my entire sentence, maybe you'll get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Read my entire sentence, maybe you'll get it.
    This was your sentence:

    John Stuart Mill was great on liberty but fell short with utilitarianism.
    What did I miss?
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    Anon. Very anon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    John Stuart Mill was great on liberty but fell short with utilitarianism.
    I agree. I read On Liberty first, got really excited about his work so I read Utilitarianism next and was pretty disappointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awryly View Post
    Well, cutting the Bush tax cuts and closing the tax loopholes on wealthy individuals will help, won't it?

    As would removing subsidies for corporates, penalising them for sending jobs offshore, cash to tax havens, and the various other rorts they indulge in to get (as happens in in some cases) their taxes down to 0%.

    Or, FFS, get billions in tax breaks even when they are making billions in profits.
    Actually they all appear to look like solutions. The tax loopholes for the rich are an exaggeration......and the tax generated on all the listed measures still won't pay the interest on the US short term debt.

    As stated earlier, the US federal budget needs to be severely amputated.

    That's the only way this gets fixed and it ain't gonna happen. There is no one in elected office now who would gamble their political careers and probably lose in the process.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kathaariancode View Post
    I agree. I read On Liberty first, got really excited about his work so I read Utilitarianism next and was pretty disappointed.
    Exactly. as if some abstract good can be calculated for naturally free individuals.

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