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    Rightists Call for Secession: My Thoughts

    Since basically everyone here but me is a rightist, I'm sure you've all taken note of the secession petitions that have been circulating since you lost the election recently. I figured I'd provide a few thoughts on this:

    (I also posted these thoughts on another forum, but figured you all might find them worth reading as well.)

    Secession would indeed create a constitutional crisis since the Supreme Court (controlled by the Republican Party at the time, incidentally) decreed after the last great attempt (seen in the American Civil War) that it was unconstitutional for states to leave the Union. Fret not though, for I have a solution that will allow you to leave the United States without creating a constitutional crisis in the process: self-deportation.

    Seriously, if you're all THAT upset by the fact that the majority disagree with your view of how the government should be run (as indicated by the election results), why not turn to that individual initiative you always preach to us about and just leave? Nobody's stopping you from leaving on an individual basis. Only states are barred from exiting the Union.

    So how do I think things should be? I wouldn't shed a tear if the U.S. South left the Union. Fine! Go away! Good riddance! Who needs you? We'd be a substantially more progressive country without you! I've got no problem with that. Just don't do what the old Confederacy did with their last secession attempt and attack the remains of the Union in an attempt at conquest.

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    Yep more progressive and more broke. Clearly that's what you all want.

    The so-called sucession movement is nothing more than free speech. We understand that liberals don't like free speech other than their own as well and do everything they can to squash it.

    How long do you think all your bankrupt progressive states would last without feeding off the heartland, Polly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Since basically everyone here but me is a rightist, I'm sure you've all taken note of the secession petitions that have been circulating since you lost the election recently. I figured I'd provide a few thoughts on this:

    (I also posted these thoughts on another forum, but figured you all might find them worth reading as well.)

    Secession would indeed create a constitutional crisis since the Supreme Court (controlled by the Republican Party at the time, incidentally) decreed after the last great attempt (seen in the American Civil War) that it was unconstitutional for states to leave the Union. Fret not though, for I have a solution that will allow you to leave the United States without creating a constitutional crisis in the process: self-deportation.

    Seriously, if you're all THAT upset by the fact that the majority disagree with your view of how the government should be run (as indicated by the election results), why not turn to that individual initiative you always preach to us about and just leave? Nobody's stopping you from leaving on an individual basis. Only states are barred from exiting the Union.

    So how do I think things should be? I wouldn't shed a tear if the U.S. South left the Union. Fine! Go away! Good riddance! Who needs you? We'd be a substantially more progressive country without you! I've got no problem with that. Just don't do what the old Confederacy did with their last secession attempt and attack the remains of the Union in an attempt at conquest.
    What attempt at conquest did the south make, Polly?
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    I actually consider it as the conservative equivalent of the whines by liberals that if their guy doesn't win they'll flee the U.S. The difference is conservatives will do it as a group. The similarity is, the conservatives won't really do it, either. If all the liberals who had said they'd leave had the country wouldn't be in as big a mess as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickt View Post
    I actually consider it as the conservative equivalent of the whines by liberals that if their guy doesn't win they'll flee the U.S. The difference is conservatives will do it as a group. The similarity is, the conservatives won't really do it, either. If all the liberals who had said they'd leave had the country wouldn't be in as big a mess as it is.
    If one is honest one will realize that there are whines from both camps and false bravado about moving away. My observation is that since many righties live in the past it has taken them 4 years and another GE cycle to realize that those DemoCrats won therefore they did not make the phoney baloney noise of moving away four years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Since basically everyone here but me is a rightist, I'm sure you've all taken note of the secession petitions that have been circulating since you lost the election recently. I figured I'd provide a few thoughts on this:

    (I also posted these thoughts on another forum, but figured you all might find them worth reading as well.)

    Secession would indeed create a constitutional crisis since the Supreme Court (controlled by the Republican Party at the time, incidentally) decreed after the last great attempt (seen in the American Civil War) that it was unconstitutional for states to leave the Union. Fret not though, for I have a solution that will allow you to leave the United States without creating a constitutional crisis in the process: self-deportation.

    Seriously, if you're all THAT upset by the fact that the majority disagree with your view of how the government should be run (as indicated by the election results), why not turn to that individual initiative you always preach to us about and just leave? Nobody's stopping you from leaving on an individual basis. Only states are barred from exiting the Union.

    So how do I think things should be? I wouldn't shed a tear if the U.S. South left the Union. Fine! Go away! Good riddance! Who needs you? We'd be a substantially more progressive country without you! I've got no problem with that. Just don't do what the old Confederacy did with their last secession attempt and attack the remains of the Union in an attempt at conquest.
    A thoughtful post littered with premises that make no sense.

    Since basically everyone here but me is a rightist...
    That's a lot of lumping. It fails to recognize there are liberals here, and to recognize among libs and cons there are many different sorts. I suppose lumping is easier though, it allows for overgeneralized conclusions.

    I'm sure you've all taken note of the secession petitions
    So far as I know these come from state governments and there is little rightest about them.

    since you lost the election recently
    Rightist is not a party, rightists didn't run in the election...oh, you mean Reps lost. There's little connection between rightist and Republican.

    So right off the bat your premises are disconnected from each other and from the reality of the difference between political party and political principles. Conclusions drawn upon such a muddle cannot be sound ones.



    Secession would indeed create a constitutional crisis
    I think rather you have put the cart before the horse. It is a constitutional crisis driving the states to consider secession. The federal government is overstepping its constitutional limits.

    the Supreme Court (controlled by the Republican Party at the time, incidentally) decreed after the last great attempt (seen in the American Civil War) that it was unconstitutional for states to leave the Union.
    Ah, but you forget that our government was founded on principles that include "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

    (The Court is not controlled by parties.)

    Fret not though, for I have a solution that will allow you to leave the United States without creating a constitutional crisis in the process: self-deportation.
    Following in the footsteps of liberal Bush are you?



    if you're all THAT upset
    It's a rational course of action. Like the liberal you are you see only emotion.

    the majority disagree with your view of how the government should be run
    A rather slim majority.


    So not only are your premises lacking but so it your middle argument.


    And now your conclusion...

    So how do I think things should be?
    Since you're a self-proclaimed socialist, I can guess.

    I wouldn't shed a tear if the U.S. South left the Union.
    Where'd this come from? The states considering secession are all over the map north and south. Lumping premises, lumping conclusion.



    Conclusion? Where's your conclusion? Instead of telling how you'd like things to be you drift off into emotional tirade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan Mazepa View Post
    If one is honest one will realize that there are whines from both camps and false bravado about moving away. My observation is that since many righties live in the past it has taken them 4 years and another GE cycle to realize that those DemoCrats won therefore they did not make the phoney baloney noise of moving away four years ago.
    Liberals made the threat of leaving the U.S. in this last election and in the one before. They did it for both of President Bush's elections. I can remember when they didn't but then I am 71 and have a long memory.

    A noticeable difference is that liberals whine about leaving the country before the election as a strategy to convince people to vote they way they tell them to. Conservatives, this time, are reacting to the election. Four years ago, I heard no conservatives threatening to leave before or after the election.

    I just wish half the people who threaten to leave would...but not to Oaxaca, Mexico.

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    Although South Carolina ... and as the first secessionist-state that still thinks the Civil War is going on (Fort Sumter) .... Texas will be the first state the U.S. will invade for allowing Mexican Gangs & Drug Cartels to invade America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickt View Post
    Liberals made the threat of leaving the U.S. in this last election and in the one before. They did it for both of President Bush's elections. I can remember when they didn't but then I am 71 and have a long memory.

    A noticeable difference is that liberals whine about leaving the country before the election as a strategy to convince people to vote they way they tell them to. Conservatives, this time, are reacting to the election. Four years ago, I heard no conservatives threatening to leave before or after the election.

    I just wish half the people who threaten to leave would...but not to Oaxaca, Mexico.
    Yes you are correct I did not recall all of the details but I did remember that depending upon whose ox was being gored that group made the "I am moving to Canada "noise or whatever country they thought was "safe".
    Last edited by Evan Mazepa; 11-16-2012 at 01:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exotix View Post
    Although South Carolina ... and as the first secessionist-state that still thinks the Civil War is going on (Fort Sumter) .... Texas will be the first state the U.S. will invade for allowing Mexican Gangs & Drug Cartels to invade America.
    That is your Federal Government's fault, fattie.
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