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    Excess Deadbeats

    "THE best-loved seaside resort in Britain could put up its “No Vacancies” signs to stop attracting deadbeats, drunks and drug addicts. Blackpool council’s leader calls it “a refuge for the dispossessed” and says the situation is so serious people should be banned from moving to the town unless they have a job or home there."
    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...ackpool-glower

    This article is about Blackpool in England but with the growth of the socialist Entitlement Society I saw the same thing happen in my city in the U.S. In 1966 we had a half-dozen chronically homeless people. They were all local people and other people in town knew them by name. Virtually all had an obvious mental problem. But then came the era of people being able to make a "free will choice" to be deadbeats. We got hundreds by 1990. Some were still crazy but many were just junkies, drunks, and deadbeats. But, they're supported and far more mobile than they used to be.

    In one government housing project for the elderly, the old folks were being held prisoner by aggressive deadbeats surrounding the building and demanding money. I was talking to one of the deadbeats about why the old folks center and he laughed and said, "They give us lots of money." "They're generous?" He laughed again and said, "No, they're scared."

    Women, kids, and the elderly were afraid to use the bus shelters or the indoor parking garage downtown.

    I met a young man from Philadelphia. He was an epileptic and a drunk. That's not a good combination. As we chatted I asked him how he ended up in our town. "Oh, you guys are famous. Nice people, great weather most of the years, and tons of services for street people. Everybody knows about you." Gee, it's nice to be famous.

    Now, there are over 140 organizations "helping" these people. SSI is the primary supporter but our local services fill all imaginable gaps. Our city did make panhandling illegal in certain locations, such as around the senior center, at bus stops, in parking facilities, and at ATM machines. When that law went into effect, one young, healthy transient said, "It looks to me like you just don't want people like me coming here." No kidding.

    Do you think we'll see more of this happening in the U.S.?
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    Oh sure, until the system collapses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickt View Post
    "THE best-loved seaside resort in Britain could put up its “No Vacancies” signs to stop attracting deadbeats, drunks and drug addicts. Blackpool council’s leader calls it “a refuge for the dispossessed” and says the situation is so serious people should be banned from moving to the town unless they have a job or home there."
    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...ackpool-glower

    This article is about Blackpool in England but with the growth of the socialist Entitlement Society I saw the same thing happen in my city in the U.S. In 1966 we had a half-dozen chronically homeless people. They were all local people and other people in town knew them by name. Virtually all had an obvious mental problem. But then came the era of people being able to make a "free will choice" to be deadbeats. We got hundreds by 1990. Some were still crazy but many were just junkies, drunks, and deadbeats. But, they're supported and far more mobile than they used to be.

    In one government housing project for the elderly, the old folks were being held prisoner by aggressive deadbeats surrounding the building and demanding money. I was talking to one of the deadbeats about why the old folks center and he laughed and said, "They give us lots of money." "They're generous?" He laughed again and said, "No, they're scared."

    Women, kids, and the elderly were afraid to use the bus shelters or the indoor parking garage downtown.

    I met a young man from Philadelphia. He was an epileptic and a drunk. That's not a good combination. As we chatted I asked him how he ended up in our town. "Oh, you guys are famous. Nice people, great weather most of the years, and tons of services for street people. Everybody knows about you." Gee, it's nice to be famous.

    Now, there are over 140 organizations "helping" these people. SSI is the primary supporter but our local services fill all imaginable gaps. Our city did make panhandling illegal in certain locations, such as around the senior center, at bus stops, in parking facilities, and at ATM machines. When that law went into effect, one young, healthy transient said, "It looks to me like you just don't want people like me coming here." No kidding.

    Do you think we'll see more of this happening in the U.S.?
    That was weird. My first effort including some other posting. Let's give this another try:

    I don't know why Obama and the radical Left want to turn the United States into a reeking sewer but that's fully what they intend to do. It will be interesting to see how much farther down that road Obama manages to take us over the next four years.
    Last edited by Cedric; 11-11-2012 at 08:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickt View Post
    I met a young man from Philadelphia. He was an epileptic and a drunk. That's not a good combination. As we chatted I asked him how he ended up in our town. "Oh, you guys are famous. Nice people, great weather most of the years, and tons of services for street people. Everybody knows about you." Gee, it's nice to be famous.

    Now, there are over 140 organizations "helping" these people. SSI is the primary supporter but our local services fill all imaginable gaps. Our city did make panhandling illegal in certain locations, such as around the senior center, at bus stops, in parking facilities, and at ATM machines. When that law went into effect, one young, healthy transient said, "It looks to me like you just don't want people like me coming here." No kidding.

    Do you think we'll see more of this happening in the U.S.?
    Sanctuary cities....let me guess, somewhere in California?

    We'll see more of this. We're all being shifted down by the admin so the govt can be more powerful. Grousing and sour grapes on my part? NO. It's just reality. Wise up, Obama is gonna hurt us worse. Be ready. Grow as much of our own food as possible, Save up. Get ammo. Be prepared just in case and hope I'm wrong. I sure do.

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    I remember on my first business trip to Calgary I was amazed at how few homeless people I saw on the streets of the downtown core - I was used to Toronto where you're constantly having to fight them off from washing your car and demanding money for a service you didn't consent for. Turns out, as a coworker explained to me, Calgary has one of the best systems for the homeless and people from across the country literally flock there in order to access the services available to the homeless. I wasn't sure whether that was a good thing or a bad thing.

    I genuinely wish that the homeless had more supports that would enable them to succeed. I guess I'm a bit of a hippy - I've taken in a homeless teen and when I worked downtown I would buy lunch for some of the homeless. I would never offer them money because I didn't want it spent on drugs or alcohol.

    To be fair, if you're homeless how do you apply for a job or get housing? You need a resume and cover letter which requires you have a computer or access to a computer. To find jobs, you pretty much require access to the internet. Many jobs require now that you apply online. You need to provide a mailing address and identification - what if you don't have one? If you succeed in finding a job, where do you live while you wait to make enough money for first and last month's rent? What do you wear to a job when you have no belongings? How do you get a police check if you have no money?

    It's not exactly a walk in the park to pull yourself up by the bootstraps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinnity View Post
    Sanctuary cities....let me guess, somewhere in California?

    We'll see more of this. We're all being shifted down by the admin so the govt can be more powerful. Grousing and sour grapes on my part? NO. It's just reality. Wise up, Obama is gonna hurt us worse. Be ready. Grow as much of our own food as possible, Save up. Get ammo. Be prepared just in case and hope I'm wrong. I sure do.
    Remember last year when they passed the so called food protection bills? There was a leeeetle something in there that you could not grow food and share or sell it to neighbors. Watch that become enforceable. soon.

    Mr. Bloomberg a few years ago, passed laws that folks could not give food to the homeless, panhandlers, streetpeople, BUMS, because there was no nutrition info on that food...NUTRITION INFO...BWAHAHAHAHAHA. Now regular new yorkers are asking for food cause they've run out. trickle down theory of socialism.

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    Adelaide: "I genuinely wish that the homeless had more supports that would enable them to succeed."

    I am amazed at the foreigners who show up in the U.S., some not speaking English, immediately get work, and many go on to have a normal life and a few even to be successful. I wonder how they do it? No nice suit, no resume, no permanent address. I had a young man apply for a job and when I asked for a phone he had a cell phone and when I asked for an address he grinned and said, "Third tree from the north in City Park. I'm new in town and until I get a job I won't be getting an apartment. I sleep there in my car. We got him a job.

    A young woman knocked on my door and said, "Can my boyfriend and I cut your lawn for $5.00. Hey, it was 20 years ago. I motioned the young man over and they had recently arrived from another state, were staying with a couple they'd met, they both had gotten jobs but wouldn't get their first paychecks for two weeks. I told them lawns in my neighborhood usually cost $10 and hired them. I also warned them to keep moving because if someone notified the government they'd get arrested for trying to work.

    I can tell you how not to do it. You don't do it by supporting, at subsistence level, deadbeats who refuse to work and who then go out and get money in often unpleasant ways to buy liquor or drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickt View Post
    Adelaide: "I genuinely wish that the homeless had more supports that would enable them to succeed."

    I am amazed at the foreigners who show up in the U.S., some not speaking English, immediately get work, and many go on to have a normal life and a few even to be successful. I wonder how they do it? No nice suit, no resume, no permanent address. I had a young man apply for a job and when I asked for a phone he had a cell phone and when I asked for an address he grinned and said, "Third tree from the north in City Park. I'm new in town and until I get a job I won't be getting an apartment. I sleep there in my car. We got him a job.

    A young woman knocked on my door and said, "Can my boyfriend and I cut your lawn for $5.00. Hey, it was 20 years ago. I motioned the young man over and they had recently arrived from another state, were staying with a couple they'd met, they both had gotten jobs but wouldn't get their first paychecks for two weeks. I told them lawns in my neighborhood usually cost $10 and hired them. I also warned them to keep moving because if someone notified the government they'd get arrested for trying to work.

    I can tell you how not to do it. You don't do it by supporting, at subsistence level, deadbeats who refuse to work and who then go out and get money in often unpleasant ways to buy liquor or drugs.
    The important distinction in my comment was, "that would enable them to succeed." We do not need to spend more money - we could probably spend significantly less - so long as that money is spent in ways that will actually work at reducing the homeless population and encouraging success. Throwing money at something indiscriminantly and then wondering why you don't get results is not exactly a smart strategy. It seems as though, around here anyways, most efforts at fixing the homeless problem are centered around local or regional governments who do just throw money down a hole into social programs with no proven success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaide View Post
    The important distinction in my comment was, "that would enable them to succeed." We do not need to spend more money - we could probably spend significantly less - so long as that money is spent in ways that will actually work at reducing the homeless population and encouraging success. Throwing money at something indiscriminantly and then wondering why you don't get results is not exactly a smart strategy. It seems as though, around here anyways, most efforts at fixing the homeless problem are centered around local or regional governments who do just throw money down a hole into social programs with no proven success.
    The government is the only industry where if you spend $6,000,000 and fail you think spending $60,000,000 will make it work. When I was young I never had to decide whether or not I wanted to work. As Cigar said, people in the U.S. have the option of making a "free will choice" to be a deadbeat. So, for some, why shouldn't they?

    We currently have training programs, adult education programs, apprenticeship programs but what we're lacking is incentives. I talked to a number of guys who were deadbeats and crooks but who had cleaned up. I asked some how they did it and without exception the first step was they quit drinking and/or doing drugs. Step two was they got a job. None that I know of ever became a Donald Trump, thank god, but they had good lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaide View Post
    I remember on my first business trip to Calgary I was amazed at how few homeless people I saw on the streets of the downtown core - I was used to Toronto where you're constantly having to fight them off from washing your car and demanding money for a service you didn't consent for. Turns out, as a coworker explained to me, Calgary has one of the best systems for the homeless and people from across the country literally flock there in order to access the services available to the homeless. I wasn't sure whether that was a good thing or a bad thing.

    I genuinely wish that the homeless had more supports that would enable them to succeed. I guess I'm a bit of a hippy - I've taken in a homeless teen and when I worked downtown I would buy lunch for some of the homeless. I would never offer them money because I didn't want it spent on drugs or alcohol.

    To be fair, if you're homeless how do you apply for a job or get housing? You need a resume and cover letter which requires you have a computer or access to a computer. To find jobs, you pretty much require access to the internet. Many jobs require now that you apply online. You need to provide a mailing address and identification - what if you don't have one? If you succeed in finding a job, where do you live while you wait to make enough money for first and last month's rent? What do you wear to a job when you have no belongings? How do you get a police check if you have no money?

    It's not exactly a walk in the park to pull yourself up by the bootstraps.
    In many cases all that they can do is think back to their school years and wish that they had given a damn.

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