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    Quote Originally Posted by truthmatters View Post
    how would they do that?
    Why do ask that when his post told you how?

    The Republicans need to get rid of these fundamentalist fools and focus on one thing and one thing only, restoring prosperity to America.

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    Mainecoons wrote:
    No Polly, we shouldn't have equal pay laws because they don't work.
    They don't solve everything, but they certainly help. I'm strongly supportive of legislation like the Paycheck Fairness Act in particular because the sex-based segregation of work is a huge part of the remaining pay gap. Requiring that people be paid the same for equivalent work (work that contributes equally to a company's bottom line) rather than just for identical work would certainly help remedy that situation.

    We'll have to agree to disagree on the intelligence of the great mass of the voters. For every one of you and me or our peers, I believe there are thousands of people who don't understand economics and politics at a very fundamental level. Many of them can't even spell correctly or write complete and inteligible sentences.
    That's the thing of it though: you don't have to be an economics expert or a political scientist to know that getting paid less than a man for equivalent work isn't good for you or that having more life options is better than having fewer. Do you see what I mean? You don't generally have to be an expert to know your interests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conley View Post
    The comments about rape by several high profile Republicans gave the Democrats a lot of ammo to back up their claims of a War on Women. IMO it was a few clueless guys who said really stupid things - but you can't deny it painted the whole party in a very negative light.
    yes it did pain the whole party and the media saw to that. Do you recognize any stupid Leftist remarks or even blatantly truthful remarks they make when they slip up and tell the truth, get no play in the media? Like the muslims they slip up on occasion and tell us their agenda. Pretty soon the left will catch up with the muslims and be able to just say it and get a pass. We're almost there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    They don't solve everything, but they certainly help. I'm strongly supportive of legislation like the Paycheck Fairness Act in particular because the sex-based segregation of work is a huge part of the remaining pay gap. Requiring that people be paid the same for equivalent work (work that contributes equally to a company's bottom line) rather than just for identical work would certainly help remedy that situation.



    That's the thing of it though: you don't have to be an economics expert or a political scientist to know that getting paid less than a man for equivalent work isn't good for you or that having more life options is better than having fewer. Do you see what I mean? You don't generally have to be an expert to know your interests.
    The only thing this law will do is provide work for lawyers. Here is the legal standard:

    Under the Equal Pay Act, the law that makes it illegal for employers to pay unequal wages to men and women who perform substantially equal work, an individual subject to wage discrimination must establish that “(1) the employer pays different wages to employees of the opposite sex; (2) the employees perform equal work on jobs requiring equal skill, effort and responsibility; and (3) the jobs are performed under similar working conditions.”

    Even if the individual makes each of these showings, the defendant employer may avoid liability by proving that the wage disparity is justified by one of four affirmative defenses—that is, that the employer has set the challenged wages pursuant to “(1) a seniority system; (2) a merit system; (3) a system which measures earnings by quantity or quality of production; or (4) a differential based on any other factor other than sex."


    From Wiki.

    The law will be impossible to enforce.

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    A (female) George W. Bush adviser's recommendations to her party concerning its future course vis-a-vis minorities and women. This partially echoes my advice from the OP.

    (Bush people have credibility here in that they fared better among minorities and women in their elections than their party's successors have.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrassrootsConservative View Post
    Sorry, Polly. I don't know if you heard or not, but Obama cheated to win. He had black panthers at polling places in PA, and then a couple places even had Obama propaganda inside the polling places within view of the machines. That's a direct violation of rules which state no propaganda within 100ft of polling places.


    More balderdash founded on paranoia .

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    When I got to the first lie I skipped the rest of your two part fantasy. But, as far as I got, Ross Perot elected Bill Clinton who didn't get a majority of the vote and Ralph Nader probably was responsible for Al Gore losing to George Bush. Rewriting history is big for liberals but they need to learn to wait till those who lived it have died, or been killed in the purges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carygrant View Post
    More balderdash founded on paranoia .
    Oh look. Unfounded accusations without links or anything of substance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Part Two:

    Speaking of empire-building, that was the least contentious issue of this election cycle. Both candidates agreed, for example, that our role in the Afghanistan War must continue for another two years despite the fact that the continuance of the war effort is opposed by an enormous majority of Americans (nearly 70% according to the most recent polling) and despite the fact that the Afghan government (the one we're supporting anyway) has announced that it is already prepared to fully take over its own security responsibilities and that we can "leave early" if we want. This begs the question of why.

    The 2012 presidential election has secured the future of the Affordable Care Act, safeguarded the financial reforms that have put into place in view of the 2008 crash, and given the president a mandate on several issues. It has established that women care about their reproductive rights and other gender-related issues. Voter suppression efforts directed principally against minorities, the youth, and the elderly, motivated all those groups to turn out for this election and make sure they got a chance to have their votes counted. Same-sex marriage won legalization in three ballot initiatives: in Maine, Maryland, and Washington. No new bans on it succeeded this year. Together, these factoids indicate that the tide now favors marriage equality. Additionally, marijuana was legalized for recreational purposes in Colorado (though there will be a court challenge to that) and medical marijuana won an expansion in Massachusetts. I think that sums it up.
    and blawdy blawdy blawdy blaw. Democrats won because they are santa claus to minorities and minoritioes are really angry at whitey which is encouraged by democrats. That's all it is...it's simple. These are not americans in the sense of what Americans ARE. I never, NEVER expected to see this happen in my lifetime...i thought it would happen, this war on poverty thing that successfully makes blacks poorer and poorer and more dependent and now....they're ruined. period.

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    Polly, ObamaCare is neither affordable nor will it provide better care. You seem to live in this fantasy land where you think a government than can't deliver mail without losing billions, can't handle a natural disaster and can't balance a budget or, hell, even write one, can handle the health care of 320 million people.

    You're a nice and well meaning person like my brother who has also spent his entire life learning things the hard way. So will you. Don't take this as a slam, you have a lot of company in America who have the same problem, hence this election and what is happening to the economy.

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