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    IMPress Polly despite what you may think, this isn't rocket science. Obama received 10 million fewer votes this time than he got in 2008 . . . and so people were not pleased with his first term performance. Romney received 3 million fewer votes than McCain received in 2008, and so in the eyes of low information voters he was not enough different from Obama for them to vote for him instead.

    Low information voters put Obama into office in 2008 because they believed all the over the top press hype about Obama. Low information voters returned Obama to office in 2012 because they were not intelligent enough to understand the real differences between Obama and Romney.

    Now you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainecoons View Post
    Polly, ObamaCare is neither affordable nor will it provide better care. You seem to live in this fantasy land where you think a government than can't deliver mail without losing billions, can't handle a natural disaster and can't balance a budget or, hell, even write one, can handle the health care of 320 million people.

    You're a nice and well meaning person like my brother who has also spent his entire life learning things the hard way. So will you. Don't take this as a slam, you have a lot of company in America who have the same problem, hence this election and what is happening to the economy.
    Absolutely. Too many voters confuse the pie-in-the-sky Star Trek universe style utopianism as something that can be created in the United States with just a wave of Obama's Wish-Wand. But first one has got to have on hand both a nearly one hundred percent convertible energy source that is inexhaustible and that is also so cheap that it's essentially given away. We not only do not have anything like that we are a minimum of a century to a century and a half from having the technological base to invent something like it.

    There are practical reasons why Obama's pie-in-the-sky stuff won't work here and now. The Left has some serious growing up to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    A (female) George W. Bush adviser's recommendations to her party concerning its future course vis-a-vis minorities and women. This partially echoes my advice from the OP.

    (Bush people have credibility here in that they fared better among minorities and women in their elections than their party's successors have.)
    One issue voters really kill America's future. Yes, the GOP has its loons. So does the left. One day economics is going to smack American women in the face; and in a crash women will do much worse than men. Get ready to fight for clean food and water.

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    Sorry for my bad English, for those who reading this, please bare with me, Thank you.

    Many people thinks that poor voted for Obama is not true. I am poor and I voted for Romney. I am really sad for this nation, the only thing I can say now is please "God Bless America", I love this country so much, but the fate of this country in the next 4 years is not good, I feel that unemloyment will increase and economy will be even worst.
    I live in a blue state, California, I'm poor, I work as a waitress, and I only have a high school degree. Most people would assume someone like myself would vote for Obama, but Nope, I voted for Romney because I feel "Economically" he can at least bring this country up a bit.
    What's done is done, we all can only hope president Obama will do his best in the next 4 years for the good of America.

    Why, I don't vote for Obama because I feel that his policies won't help much to the economy. Look at Obamacare, people will begin to see that many people will be unemloyed or will be working part time once this Obamacare hits in.
    Now that all business required to buy healthcare for their employees, guess what! If they don't have enough money, they will begin to lay off workers, or will let workers work less than full time to avoid the Obamacare laws.

    Obamacare required everyone to have healthcare including covering for pre-existing condition (which I can understand, I'm OK with it since it is fairness and we should not discriminate against those who have pre-existing condition to buy healthcare just like anyone else). But here the thing, who going to be paying for all this? Tax! Tax! Tax! Obama will tax the rich and the middle class. Actually, I think the middle class going to suffer the most. The top rich people got alot of money (way enough money even if they have to pay higher taxes), if raise the tax, I can assure the middle class will be hurt the most.

    Obama have so many things he wants to do and to give to everyone, for equality or fairness or what ever, but "money" is limited. Where is he going to find the money for all of this? The middle class workers Americans will be paying for this.

    I pray we not going to get a massive immigrants flooding into USA, I hope there are laws and not just give them citizenship so easy. Again, who will be paying for all those massive immigrants welfare, healthcare and other benefits Obama promise to give them? Again, middle class and private and small business are going to suffer the most in these coming years.
    I don't want to talk about Gay/Les issue or abortion issue. I just think is not fair that the tax payer now have to pay for free contraception. This goes against the freedom of those who do not support this issue.

    You know why USA was once the top economy in the world because of Capitalism. Seem like the next 4 years, economy of USA will go downhill. Economy cannot go up if everyone keep having this Socialist idea. Instead of economy going up, we all here be letting the government control us, and spread the wealth out to everyone until everybody is equal. Bullshit! I can tell you Socialism don't work!! Eventually the rich will run out of money, actually the whole country will run out of money!

    I hate socialism, my family risk our lives getting out of one. I grown up in a Socialist Communist country. I do not EVER, DO NOT ever want to go back there or live that lifestyle again, EVER! Those who love Socialist-Communist so much, maybe go to RED China live for couple months, and see how much freedom you have.

    I love America, wish this country all the best, especially in the next 4 years, God bless USA and bless us.
    And what make me unhappy is how selfish people can get to be now. They only think of themselves and their benefits only. Seriously, this is not the America I know 30 years ago. The USA now have change, but anyways if the Constitution stay the same, this is the last 4 years of Obama. I heard there some guy who keep propose the law to give unlimited terms of presidency. GOD, I hope not, or else I will live in a Communist China again where the dictatorship one party ,Chinese Communist Party have control for 70+ years! NO!!!!

    As for Obama won, to me don't matter, I'm the low class people so I always be poor doesn't matter who won. But I just feel sad for the middle class and the private business that will be effected in the next 4 years.
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    Communism was not and is not Socialism .
    No sane person wants so called Socialism in the way that extremists imagined it working even a few decades ago .
    Modern day Socialism expresses itself as working from and within a Capitalist system but with more care and humanity than old style Republicanism , for example .
    As for Romney ? We will never know , and regardless , he had no defined policies and had a reputation as a political loser and flip flopper and someone economic with the truth .
    Republicans deluded themselves that they had a candidate who had a realistic chance of reaching the White House .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carygrant View Post
    Communism was not and is not Socialism .
    No sane person wants so called Socialism in the way that extremists imagined it working even a few decades ago .
    Modern day Socialism expresses itself as working from and within a Capitalist system but with more care and humanity than old style Republicanism , for example .
    As for Romney ? We will never know , and regardless , he had no defined policies and had a reputation as a political loser and flip flopper and someone economic with the truth .
    Republicans deluded themselves that they had a candidate who had a realistic chance of reaching the White House .
    Communism is a failed branch of socialism, just as fascism and nazism were.

    You're right, the socialists (liberals, progressives, like you) have abandoned "classical" socialism as the pipe dream it was, for a new modern version call social democracy that hopes to manage capitalism like a parasite, and, as you say, do so with the same emotionalism as the past, for there is no rational or moral justification for it. Man cannot design or manage economies, they are too complex and dynamic to control top down but only work bottom up. And the basic means of your central planning, redistribution, entails theft from some (not your pockets) to give to others.

    Romney? The race ended a week ago, wake up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post

    Romney? The race ended a week ago, wake up.

    The race ended at the Republican convention .Are you trying desperately to forget?
    Ann was just embarrassing .
    Clunt was monumentallly teeth juddering .
    And we saw that Mutt the Misfit would never win anything big politically .

    No wonder you get so muddled .
    The race ended a week ago . Good one , Chris . Do you still switch on believing that the Olympics are still running ?And jumping etc

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    When you live in a fantasy world, you can see whatever "implications" you choose. Perhaps it shows that Americans are communists at heart or perhaps it shows record-breaking amount of fraud or maybe it shows that extraterrestrial brain leeches attacked millions of Americans. Perhaps it implies that the rigged voting machines worked.

    What it means is we're saddled with the nitwit for another four years. Now, just imagine the implications of that. Destruction of the economy, racial violence ushered in by our racist administration, class war ushered in by the leftist administration, the destruction of business by the anti-business administration, even more people on the dole as even those who want to work can't get jobs, taxes and prices rising due to Obamacare and tax-and-spend politicians in the administration. Oh, my, the implications are horrible, aren't they?

    But, it's not all bad. President Obama and his family have some really great vacations on tap and President Obama is looking for a country club that doesn't admit Republicans or Americans.
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    Here's the good side: It will take that kind of harsh lesson to wise up a lot of folks and electing Romney would have simply delayed, not avoided that lesson. Romney was a big government guy too and on top of that, a foreign military misadventurist.

    What the Republicans need to be saying over and over, while giving Obama and the left anything they want in the way of taxes, is that we aren't going to stand in the way of this lesson and when it is learned, we'll be here to clean up the mess. But it really is time to give them what they think they voted for. All of it.

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    Thank you mr. Moderator Chris, I agree with you.

    The thing with Socialism, I see it as the "begining" of Communism. I feel that we in America now are being feed little by little of socialism ideas into our brain, and many people are not even realized this. All they care is about their "individual" rights and benefits only. 1st term of president Obama, I can understand, but people are putting president Obama back into office 2nd term, seem like the "society" "thinking" now in America has change alot compared to 20 years ago. Seem like the younger generations now are getting more and more "very open" with certain issues.

    I don't believe in such thing as socialism - distribution of wealth to everyone, bullshit! Excuse my language. Rich people don't wake up one day and become multi-millionairs. Rich people work hard for the position that they are in society today, they probably even more stressful than poor people. Heck, middle class people have to work hard to be middle class today, those workers, wake up everyday to go to work, feeding families just like the poor do. Now those people hard earn money have to go feed the whole country population, is simple not fair! If going at this ways, one day the middle class won't have anything left for the government to milk.

    I believe you should deserve what you work hard for. Example like Bill Gates, if you jealous of him being more rich than you, you can design your own Microsoft then you can rich like him. Just like people in stock market, wall street, if you jealous of them richer than you. Then you can go study stock, and go competition with them. I believe in free and fair competition.
    I do not believe in sitting at home and muching on those people tax money. (OK, I might be little extreme on this comment, but for sure I don't want to see those who are not American citizenship to munch on my tax money), hey working low class jobs does pay tax too.

    Sometimes I feel that president Obama doesn't love Capitalism very much, also sometimes I feel he doesn't love the rich very much, but I'm sure he does loves his union though, LOL! I'm sure president Obama is a good man, I do agree with some of the things he say like " equality", "fairness", but people don't really understand what true fairness is. Taking something from those who work hard all their life for, and give to someone who never work for, is just simple unfair.

    I write all this out of what my heart think. I am not side with any sides. I registered as Republican and voted for Republican is because their policies and viewpoints, I agree with. Heck, I'm sure the rich Republicans don't care about someone who poor like myself. But I like to keep my brain clear, I don't vote just because I'm poor so I must voted for Democrats, Oh, and I believe that is the biggest Myth "stereotype" that "only" the Democrats care for poor people. To be honest, they don't care about you or me, they care for their party benefits and their unions.
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