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    Quote Originally Posted by kathaariancode View Post
    To be clear, when I say "liberalism" I'm talking about the more common use of the word, not the American sense of the word, which usually refers to the politics of Social Democrats, Progressives and Marxists. But you're right, it doesn't seem that the left anywhere has taken the lesson of Weimar Germany completely to heart. That's partly because the Weimar republic exercised welfare to extremes, and because the system was an ad hoc combination of state run welfare working together with private religious and secular charities (mostly religious, though).

    I'm reading David Crew's "Germans on Welfare: From Weimar to Hitler" right now actually. Great stuff, but it gets a little bit nitty gritty into the details and case studies like Hamburg. I think you gotta love policy to enjoy a book like that.
    Didn't Bismarck bring many social reforms to Germany?
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    When I received my first issue of American Renaissance I finally felt like I was at home politically. That's a racialist periodical like The Occidental Quarterly and Mankind. From there I've been introduced to a great many authors and intellectuals most of whom are Europeans. I feel that I can work with American rightists but we don't believe the same things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Didn't Bismarck bring many social reforms to Germany?
    That's one of main topics I'm focused in on for my term paper right now. I'm trying to dig up the differences between Wilhelmine social welfare and Weimar social welfare. The period until WWI seems to be more occupied with poor relief with the immediate goal of preventing a socialist revolution (One of Bismarck's stated goals) while the Social Democrats actually wanted to change the system in order to make it preventive of social ills, create a greater "social spirit," undermine the individual causes of poverty and, according to Alice Salomon, to make it so welfare was no longer accountable to "God, the State, the community, but rather to the individual in need."

    Basically, it looks like the Bismarck reforms were more of a pragmatic approach against the threat of socialism, while the Social Democrats wanted to create a system that was friendly to state socialism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    New Rightists especially hate liberalism. They consider liberalism the dominant ideology of the modern world while progressivism is just a form liberalism takes.

    I often use this example: If you were to ask a continental European to name a famous liberal politician of the last 40 years they would be likely to say Reagan or Thatcher.
    Right, that much I follow. But what I want to know is what sort of economic policies the European New Right would support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kathaariancode View Post
    Right, that much I follow. But what I want to know is what sort of economic policies the European New Right would support.
    It's a fairly diverse group that does not advocate particular policies (economic or otherwise) but they are not against state intervention in the economy. The collective interest, in their view, should not be subordinated to the individual interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kathaariancode View Post
    That's one of main topics I'm focused in on for my term paper right now. I'm trying to dig up the differences between Wilhelmine social welfare and Weimar social welfare. The period until WWI seems to be more occupied with poor relief with the immediate goal of preventing a socialist revolution (One of Bismarck's stated goals) while the Social Democrats actually wanted to change the system in order to make it preventive of social ills, create a greater "social spirit," undermine the individual causes of poverty and, according to Alice Salomon, to make it so welfare was no longer accountable to "God, the State, the community, but rather to the individual in need."

    Basically, it looks like the Bismarck reforms were more of a pragmatic approach against the threat of socialism, while the Social Democrats wanted to create a system that was friendly to state socialism.
    Interesting stuff. Let me know what your ultimate conclusions are. It's of interest to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    It's a fairly diverse group that does not advocate particular policies (economic or otherwise) but they are not against state intervention in the economy. The collective interest, in their view, should not be subordinated to the individual interest.
    Not to offend, D, and do not misconstrue this as Reductio ad Hitlerum, but from what I understand from what you've told me is that the European New Right is anti liberal in both economic and social issues. If they're largely in favor of using the state to promote the collective interests of the citizen, and from what I gather support more traditional values, then how are they different from earlier Fascist movements, a la Benito Mussolini or otherwise? After all, Mussolini made traditionalism an essential plank of his Fascist movement, but at the same time strongly supported state intervention in the economy in favor of collective interests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Interesting stuff. Let me know what your ultimate conclusions are. It's of interest to me.
    Will do. I have a lot more reading to do, I'll be back later to chat about this new right ideology, but for now I should be hitting the books hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kathaariancode View Post
    Not to offend, D, and do not misconstrue this as Reductio ad Hitlerum, but from what I understand from what you've told me is that the European New Right is anti liberal in both economic and social issues. If they're largely in favor of using the state to promote the collective interests of the citizen, and from what I gather support more traditional values, then how are they different from earlier Fascist movements, a la Benito Mussolini or otherwise? After all, Mussolini made traditionalism an essential plank of his Fascist movement, but at the same time strongly supported state intervention in the economy in favor of collective interests.
    None taken. I'm sympathetic to fascism. I don't take that as an insult. It's only insulting when people use it as an excuse to dismiss your ideas without honestly engaging them.

    As for the New Rightists, they explicitly reject racism, intolerance, and aggression. I've seen no one advocate a cult of virility or glorify war. In fact, they are largely critical of the US and its efforts to maintain its empire. Neither do they advocate an authoritarian model of government but rather a decentralized European federalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kathaariancode View Post
    Will do. I have a lot more reading to do, I'll be back later to chat about this new right ideology, but for now I should be hitting the books hard.
    I shoudl get a tome on the 19th Century. Maybe for Christmas.
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