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    Is The GOP Dead?

    No.

    The election was a lot closer than many make it out to be. If 450,000 votes (out of 118 million cast) in four states had changed, Romney would have been President-elect. Hardly a mandate.

    Some of it is strictly technical. One forum poster invoked this link http://swampland.time.com/2012/11/07...ped-obama-win/ describing how the Hussein Obama team better managed its data. The GOP’s “ORCA” was a poorly developed loser.

    OK. That’s entirely possible. Adventures in IT. Better databases and information systems can be developed and the GOP can get cracking on that right now. There are tens of thousands of very capable IT types out there looking for work. If they get after it and invest some of the money spent on TV, they could be at least at parity by the middle of next year.

    Another GOP weakness in tactical politics was too much emphasis on the air war in the battleground states and not enough emphasis on the ground war nationwide. A better ground war would have at least partially offset the ennui of the Ron Paul types who sat out the election. (More on that later).

    TV is an over-rated medium. You need only spend enough to offset and rebut the Democrat/MSM message. The saturation carpet-bombing of Ohio was a colossal waste of money better spent on good information and volunteers and paid canvassers. TV is in a long-term decline and Americans get numb to advertising at an early age. Most Americans were just glad to have an end of both parties’ ads.

    The GOP as a whole and the Tea Party and the religious right have to invest some time and money in training candidates on how to face a hostile MSM. Few people have the natural media gifts of Ronald Reagan (even his ability came as a result of four decades in front of a camera). The GOP lost two Senate races of the basis of a few sentences blown all out of proportion by the MSM. GOP candidates simply have to remember that the MSM is the enemy. Just as one should immediately lawyer up with interrogated by the police, GOP candidates must be trained to stay on-topic and not let the MSM lure them into blowing their campaign on some imaginary redefinition of rape.

    Candidate training is a tough thing for political candidates to swallow. By definition, these people are very self-confident. But so are boxers and boxers are smart enough to train for the fight.

    To some extent, there needs to more “smoke filled rooms” prior to primary season. Too many primary candidates force (usually the marginal) candidates to take outlandish positions jockeying for attention. This gives the opposition way too much ammunition for the general election. By having the campaign leaders get together prior to the primary season, the marginal guys are promised a place at the table if they drop out and support the eventual winner. Winnow the field to two candidates before the primary and even there limit the scope of the issues they are going to fight over. Limiting the primary field and the primary issues also has the salutary effect of getting the general populace on board even if only in the vaguest of ways.

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    The GOP isn't dead -- far from it -- but they've squandered some real opportunities to put the country back on track. I think they'll do better in four years and have a much better Presidential candidate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conley View Post
    The GOP isn't dead -- far from it -- but they've squandered some real opportunities to put the country back on track. I think they'll do better in four years and have a much better Presidential candidate.


    Maybe they need to have a Come-to-Jesus moment with some of their Right Wing Nuts and remind them that they are not the only Americans, as the election count proved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cigar View Post
    Maybe they need to have a Come-to-Jesus moment with some of their Right Wing Nuts and remind them that they are not the only Americans, as the election count proved.
    Shut the $#@! up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrassrootsConservative View Post
    Shut the $#@! up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cigar View Post
    Maybe they need to have a Come-to-Jesus moment with some of their Right Wing Nuts and remind them that they are not the only Americans, as the election count proved.

    ...you miss the point, the reason they didn't get the support for Romney they wanted was because Romney wasn't conservative enough, not the opposite...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabuki Joe View Post
    ...you miss the point, the reason they didn't get the support for Romney they wanted was because Romney wasn't conservative enough, not the opposite...


    Kabuki Joe

    Well then ... why didn't they go with Newt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cigar View Post
    Well then ... why didn't they go with Newt?

    ...politics...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Conley View Post
    The GOP isn't dead -- far from it -- but they've squandered some real opportunities to put the country back on track. I think they'll do better in four years and have a much better Presidential candidate.
    Considering they came to the table with a semi-lame, gaffe prone and on the charismatic deficit end of things, the greater concern should be on what did the Democrats NOT do. They re the party that went no where and had the incumbency thing on their side. With jobs finally on the upswing, and the unions solidly behind him, the question has to be why they didn't get control of the house.

    That will cost them. So afraid, they were about the big war, they forgot a few little battles that could snag things up a tad going
    "Forward"....as if they had.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Considering they came to the table with a semi-lame, gaffe prone and on the charismatic deficit end of things, the greater concern should be on what did the Democrats NOT do. They re the party that went no where and had the incumbency thing on their side. With jobs finally on the upswing, and the unions solidly behind him, the question has to be why they didn't get control of the house.

    That will cost them. So afraid, they were about the big war, they forgot a few little battles that could snag things up a tad going
    "Forward"....as if they had.
    Pretty much Obama limped across the finish line, and that's why even the leftwing press is not talking about any mandate outside of raising taxes of the reasonably affluent in this nation.

    Obama lost ten million votes between 2008 and 2012 because despite all the spinning and covering that media outlets could do for him during the last four years too many voters decided that he was just barely good enough to be going on with. Romney, they decided, was enough like Obama that it didn't make sense [we are talking low information voters here] to swap out political lightweights.

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