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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    No wonder you have crackpot ideas.

    LOL. If you can't make counterpoints why bother answering at all? It just makes you looks beaten in the debate and desperate. Nations are simply a collection of people and should reflect those people's values. Bullying, domination, meddling etc are not the values of most Americans.
    It'a almost as if being a "nation" exempts those who lead that nation from any form of morality.

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    Because we don't have democracy here, and have been steadily eroding what little democratic protections we've had left for the last four or five decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    LOL. If you can't make counterpoints why bother answering at all? It just makes you looks beaten in the debate and desperate. Nations are simply a collection of people and should reflect those people's values. Bullying, domination, meddling etc are not the values of most Americans.
    It'a almost as if being a "nation" exempts those who lead that nation from any form of morality.
    This is another problem, donttread. Many of you are fond of saying things like "whose morality?" Morality is now perceived as a private affair. The fact that we demand "morality" from our public officials and our government should clue us in to how wrong we are but it hasn't yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Because we don't have democracy here, and have been steadily eroding what little democratic protections we've had left for the last four or five decades.
    This is certainly true but I just want to make it clear that there is nothing democratic about the popular vote for POTUS. It's like electing a President of the world. He'll be elected by Asia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    This is certainly true but I just want to make it clear that there is nothing democratic about the popular vote for POTUS. It's like electing a President of the world. He'll be elected by Asia.
    Explain that one for me, I don't quite see how you get there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Explain that one for me, I don't quite see how you get there.
    Asia has around 60% the world's population. A world President will most likely be elected by Asia. Asia will in that sense control the executive. Now of course there is no President of the world and this is just a dystopian Star Trek pipe dream but it serves as a good illustration of what "democracy" really means on a huge scale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Asia has around 60% the world's population. A world President will most likely be elected by Asia. Asia will in that sense control the executive. Now of course there is no President of the world and this is just a dystopian Star Trek pipe dream but it serves as a good illustration of what "democracy" really means on a huge scale.
    The popular vote for POTUS only applies to Americans, we're not exactly talking about any world president. I'm still not sure I see the relevance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    The popular vote for POTUS only applies to Americans, we're not exactly talking about any world president. I'm still not sure I see the relevance.
    There are 330 million of us, Green Arrow. It's a big place with a lot of different interests but if you don't get it you don't get it. Thankfully, we have an electoral college.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    There are 330 million of us, Green Arrow. It's a big place with a lot of different interests but if you don't get it you don't get it. Thankfully, we have an electoral college.
    Only around 120-150 million of us actually vote and of those that actually vote, there aren't a whole lot of competing interests. We tend to vote pretty neatly along two partisan lines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Only around 120-150 million of us actually vote and of those that actually vote, there aren't a whole lot of competing interests. We tend to vote pretty neatly along two partisan lines.
    Right. 330 million Americans have no competing interests. Wisconsin, California, Texas, Vermont, Iowa...all the same.
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